Ann & Nancy Couldn't Match Stevie's Intake

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Speaking of that, with Mick Jagger's birthday and the Stones' being on tour and everything, there are a lot of articles about them recently and it's mindboggling not only how many women he's been with (well he's had kids with more women than most men even sleep with) but how many of those women also slept with not one, but TWO of his bandmates. Why do people even talk about FM as a band with a lot of sex in it when they can't even compare to the Stones? Probably all 16 members of FM combined haven't done 20% of the sleeping around and changing partners that the Stones have done.

Michele

Not to mention Led Zeppelin, Motley Crue and plenty of other mansluts.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

well, maybe based on what we know............. I'm still convinced there is sooo much more REAL dirt we have no clue about.

But even if they didn't talk about it, it seems like other people would talk about it, if they were sleeping with everyone under the sun. I mean, I know they've slept with a lot of people we don't know about, but I'm thinking it can't really be hundreds and thousands of people, unless sleeping with them is such an awful, boring and humiliating thing that no one wants to admit to it.

Michele

[mannymanny]

I absolutely love Heart and Stevie, so for me it's always thrilling to read they have crossed paths at some point in their careers. Its a shame that the other times Ann and Nancy met Stevie have not been mentioned in the book,... like how Grace Slick and Stevie went to see Heart live in concert in 1985 and got up on stage to provide backup vocals to Heart's "What About Love". Or when Stevie met up with Ann and Nancy after a Heart concert in the early 1980s (1981 i think) and went back to Ann's rental house and they jammed all night, and Ann, upon seeing Nancy and Stevie sat on the couch together, was inspired to pen the song title "Bright Light Girl" (from Heart's Private Audition album), because Ann commented on how ethereal and bright Nancy and Stevie looked while sitting together (both being "bright" blonde).

Ann and Nancy met Stevie, they were both sharing each other's time and therefore Ann and Nancy can write about their time, and if Stevie says they weren't best friends then i'm sure Stevie wouldnt' have done anything "private/secretive" in front of them. Life is about the people you meet, and the experiences you have, and if you ever had to write a autobiography, wouldn't you want to include the fact you met Stevie and saw all those legendary lamps around her gorgeous house and tried on her shawls!? lol! ...i'm sure not everyone has that opportunity!!

Autobiographies always mention other people living or deceased- theres no way of escaping billions of people in the world all your life..you're bound to meet a few haha, and if you're going to mention other people in your book then you'd mention what you did together! I think the book was enjoyable and tastefully done. But each to their own!

[Jondalar]

Well I just got Ann and Nancy Wilson's book Kicking and Dreaming on audiobook and I have to say it's pretty terrific. If you get the audible version, everyone who has something to tell reads their own part like Sue Ennis and Roger Fisher. Ann Wilson is a terrific reader. She just has a great voice.

I don't think Heart should of mentioned Stevie in their book. They made a few digs: First, Stevie's house was a shrine to Stevie Nicks because she filled it with pictures of herself. Second, that compared to Stevie and Fleetwood Mac, Heart didn't have a very bad drug problem. Also, Stevie had a system to take as many drugs as possible and they also sort of made Stevie out to be a Heart groupie. The whole thing is in bad taste. Stevie should be angry but love the book.

[louielouie2000]

I don't know- it just sounds honest to me. Stevie was a mess back then. It's pretty well documented that she had some ego issues. Arguably still does to this day. And we all know how graphic Stevie herself has been about her cocaine use. She said in her 20/20 Downtown interview that she snorted coke every 15 minutes. That's pretty damned prodigious. Stevie has gone on record that she wishes Heart had not included her in their book. Which is just a bit odd to me. She's pretty much admitted all of these things about herself countless times before. I guess she just prefers to be the one talking about it.

Now if we're on the subject of people airing Stevie's dirty laundry, I can think of a couple of people who did overstep the line. Don Henley writing about Stevie's aborting their child, and Joe Walsh telling Howard Stern that he must have ****ed Stevie "a million billion times." Both of those instances were pretty tasteless.

[Dex]

^ Exactly. If you're going to write an autobiography, but then feel obliged to omit any mention of other people and your experiences with/impressions of them, you aren't going to be left with all that much to write about. They aren't "digs", they're experiences as the Wilsons remember them, which is what autobiographies are all about.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I don't know- it just sounds honest to me.

Well, I doubt that Stevie was a Heart groupie. They're flattering themselves. If they'd said "Heartbreaker" groupie that would be different.

I also am skeptical that Stevie and FM did more drugs than Heart, except for the fact that there were more members of FM with bigger hangers on. So there were more drugs in volume, but when you compare what was consumed by the individual people, I just don't buy that Stevie was a gigantic user compared to Ann and Nancy.

Michele

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, I doubt that Stevie was a Heart groupie. They're flattering themselves. If they'd said "Heartbreaker" groupie that would be different.

I also am skeptical that Stevie and FM did more drugs than Heart, except for the fact that there were more members of FM with bigger hangers on. So there were more drugs in volume, but when you compare what was consumed by the individual people, I just don't buy that Stevie was a gigantic user compared to Ann and Nancy.

Michele

That is what I thought - their comments about Stevie were to make them look good. Ann was still doing cocaine in the 90s, so Stevie quit before her.

I do think was neat that Ann would not answer any of Courtney Loves messages. That was smart.

[studyinscarlet]

Meh, cheap shot at Stevie just to drum up talk about the book. If they want to talk about their own excesses, fine. But that was uncalled for. I'm sure they could have mentioned trying on the shawls, etc, without the snip at not being able to keep up with Stevie. Yes, Stevie did drugs. Ho hum, Wilson sisters. We know.

I love Stevie, I don't love you two.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, I doubt that Stevie was a Heart groupie. They're flattering themselves. If they'd said "Heartbreaker" groupie that would be different.

I know you've seen Stevie gush over all sorts of artists over the years. She drops their names publicly like they're hot. She loves linking herself to whomever is big at the moment. These days she talks about listening to Rihanna and such. Back in the 70s, I can easily see her cozying herself up to Heart.

Originally Posted by michelej1

I also am skeptical that Stevie and FM did more drugs than Heart, except for the fact that there were more members of FM with bigger hangers on. So there were more drugs in volume, but when you compare what was consumed by the individual people, I just don't buy that Stevie was a gigantic

Regarding Stevie's drug usage vs Heart's & anyone elses, obviously that's all speculation. Stevie has been remarkably open about her past- discussing how often she took drugs, the hole it burned through her septum, how she didn't even go to a doctor about it, but a plastic surgeon instead. Her drug usage is probably the most legendary of any rock star who lived to tell the tale. Was she actually any worse than her contemporaries, or is this all a carefully crafted retelling like her celebrity name dropping? It's a provocative question, for sure.

[studyinscarlet]

But Stevie name drops in a kind way. Not to put anyone down.

[lulu28]

Originally Posted by studyinscarlet

Meh, cheap shot at Stevie just to drum up talk about the book. If they want to talk about their own excesses, fine. But that was uncalled for. I'm sure they could have mentioned trying on the shawls, etc, without the snip at not being able to keep up with Stevie. Yes, Stevie did drugs. Ho hum, Wilson sisters. We know.

I love Stevie, I don't love you two.

Exactly! Excellent post.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by studyinscarlet

But Stevie name drops in a kind way. Not to put anyone down.

Except that time she said she'd choke Nicki Minaj to death, or the various times she's publicly berated Lindsay Lohan.

But generally, yeah... Stevie just likes linking herself to whoever is in the news at the moment. Whether it's Tom Petty, the Eagles, Snow Patrol, Sarah McLachlan, Rihanna, etc. With a couple of notable exceptions, she always heaps praise on whomever she name drops.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Except that time she said she'd choke Nicki Minaj to death, or the various times she's publicly berated Lindsay Lohan.

But generally, yeah... Stevie just likes linking herself to whoever is in the news at the moment. Whether it's Tom Petty, the Eagles, Snow Patrol, Sarah McLachlan, Rihanna, etc. With a couple of notable exceptions, she always heaps praise on whomever she name drops.

I think Stevie probably thought she was bonding with other female rockers, not being judged. When they mentioned her in the book the way they did, they turned her nice memory into a mistake.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

But generally, yeah... Stevie just likes linking herself to whoever is in the news at the moment. Whether it's Tom Petty, the Eagles, Snow Patrol, Sarah McLachlan, Rihanna, etc. With a couple of notable exceptions, she always heaps praise on whomever she name drops.

Saying you like someone's music is not the same as being a "groupie." Groupie implies trying to socialize, to me. Yeah, she said she liked Katy Perry's tripe, but I don't think she been trying to hang around Katy. Yes, she is always name dropping Taylor Swift, even Prince, etc., but the "groupie" implication is different.

I know she loved to hang around Tom Petty, but I just don't see her consistently going out of her way to spend time in the company of Ann and Nancy Wilson.

There are some people who I think try to be a groupie to Stevie. I think Sheryl Crow has done this before. And Stevie does it no doubt herself, but I can't believe she was doing it to Heart.



Michele