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Old 05-03-2014, 03:55 PM
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But it is safe to assume that the tracks and vocals have all been recorded, right? they wouldn't start mixing if they was still recording to be done?
That also depends. A lot of singers like to record the music and mix it first before going in and putting a vocal track over it. A polished, mixed track can give the vocalist a reason to kick out a good vocal. More inspiring...more feeling. An example of this for Stevie is the making of Bella Donna on the Crystal Visions DVD. The instrumental for her "takes" on "After The Glitter Fades" sound like the final mixed product to me. Same with "Blue Lamp".

However there really isn't any reason she would be in Nashville UNLESS she was putting a vocal track on her songs, so I'm willing to bet they've done a little of both so far. Dave works fast, as we all know, and I'm sure he's been inspiring her.

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But it is safe to assume that the tracks and vocals have all been recorded, right? they wouldn't start mixing if they was still recording to be done?
But don't they do this on a track by track basis? Just because you are mixing one song, I don't think that means there are not others ahead of you.

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Old 05-03-2014, 04:01 PM
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I LOVE that they have Rhiannon on the mixing desk. I wonder if Stevie has finally chosen to release one of her "Rhiannon Songs"?
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:33 PM
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A new Stevie album eh? As much as I like Ms Nicks I thought IYD was pure crap so I'm not looking forward to this. Would rather she got her arse in the studio with FM but whatever.

I agree 100%....Dave Stewart should not be producing this next cd. She might as well be taking musical direction from her assistant Karen. IYD had a handful of old demos remastered and remixed which were cool, but the new stuff was pure Stewart crap. The guy is a darkness that hovers over her....she needs to clean house and surround herself with some new people.....maybe she should consider working with the crew from Lady Antebellum. ....anyone but that Stewart clown.

You guys keep applauding her as she goes down in flames. I love people who defend an empty space. She hasn't gone triple platinum in how long? Keep defending her poor choices...go on, defend it....I love who Stevie used to be...not who she has become. I blame Karen.

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I agree 100%....Dave Stewart should not be producing this next cd. She might as well be taking musical direction from her assistant Karen. IYD had a handful of old demos remastered and remixed which were cool, but the new stuff was pure Stewart crap. The guy is a darkness that hovers over her....she needs to clean house and surround herself with some new people.....maybe she should consider working with the crew from Lady Antebellum. ....anyone but that Stewart clown.

You guys keep applauding her as she goes down in flames. I love people who defend an empty space. She hasn't gone triple platinum in how long? Keep defending her poor choices...go on, defend it....I love who Stevie used to be...not who she has become. I blame Karen.

Goes down in flames.... Huh....
With Street Angel Stevie was already cinders. She has slowly risen like a Phoenix, each project a little better than the last.
1. TISL was better than Street Angel.
2. Say You Will was better than TISL
3. IYD was better than Say You Will

If her work keeps following the trend, then this album should be excellent
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:16 PM
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I agree 100%....Dave Stewart should not be producing this next cd. She might as well be taking musical direction from her assistant Karen. IYD had a handful of old demos remastered and remixed which were cool, but the new stuff was pure Stewart crap. The guy is a darkness that hovers over her....she needs to clean house and surround herself with some new people.....maybe she should consider working with the crew from Lady Antebellum. ....anyone but that Stewart clown.

You guys keep applauding her as she goes down in flames. I love people who defend an empty space. She hasn't gone triple platinum in how long? Keep defending her poor choices...go on, defend it....I love who Stevie used to be...not who she has become. I blame Karen.


I'm sorry that you don't enjoy IYD, I really am, but your in a small minority of not liking the Stewart/Stevie callaborations. Hell, even people I consider to have some of the most critical ears love IYD (Louie and Chili for just 2 examples). So yea, the general concensous is not that of flames. And if even alf of this new album is good to great Stewart deserves a noble prize forgetting it made so quickly.
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:27 PM
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You guys keep applauding her as she goes down in flames. I love people who defend an empty space. She hasn't gone triple platinum in how long? Keep defending her poor choices...go on, defend it....I love who Stevie used to be...not who she has become. I blame Karen.

How long since she went triple platinum? As a solo artist? Since Bella Donna. That's an odd standard to use since she only did it once 30 years ago.

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3. IYD was better than Say You Will
it most certainly was not
i like it
but i like SYW better
the only crap on SYW is Silver Girl
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:47 PM
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3. IYD was better than Say You Will
lol No way.

Say You Will was great compared to IYD. Completely uninspired lyrically or sonically.

I tweeted Dave Stewart once reprimanding him for ruining Stevie Nicks and her album. He tweeted something back equally catty - but it makes me feel good to know he's aware there are people out there unhappy with his work with her.

I'm also disappointed she chose to work with him again - even after she went on and on about how much she loved the process.

I know people might not agree, but I WISH she would work with some younger artists and producers. I saw someone suggest she should work with Lady Antebellum which would be a good choice. A part of me wishes she would go rogue and do a dance song or two like she used to. There's a band called "Empire of the Sun" that lists 1977 Fleetwood Mac as a direct reference and inspiration on their work. Imagine Stevie vocals and lyrics on THIS instrumental. It would be a total shock but reinvigorate her career a little - like a modern "Stand Back". It has a very Stevie/FM feel but it's still crazy modern and current. I know she could pull it off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkyFdsYw7M

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Old 05-03-2014, 08:13 PM
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I think sadly that because Stevie has tended not to have a clear final vision of what her songs should sound like she has been at the mercy of producers who turned her music into what *they* thought it should be. Listening to demos vs final versions it seems like Tom Petty was one of the best at translating her songs pretty closely from her demos. And honestly, I don't know if left to her own devices *she's* the best judge anymore of what her music should end up sounding like. She did have a lot of input on IYD if you judge by the documentary (a bit of a risky assumption) so you can't blame all that on Dave. He seemed to acquiesce mostly to whatever SHE wanted, which appears to be a big part of why she likes to work with him.
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:39 PM
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Goes down in flames.... Huh....
With Street Angel Stevie was already cinders. She has slowly risen like a Phoenix, each project a little better than the last.
1. TISL was better than Street Angel.
2. Say You Will was better than TISL
3. IYD was better than Say You Will

If her work keeps following the trend, then this album should be excellent
I don't think her SYW songs were better than TISL, not except for Thrown Down. I mean, I like EFO as well, but it's really hard to compare it to anything else because of the disco genre. I mean, I guess I could compare it to Stand Back, that's all.

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Old 05-03-2014, 10:45 PM
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I agree 100%....Dave Stewart should not be producing this next cd. She might as well be taking musical direction from her assistant Karen. IYD had a handful of old demos remastered and remixed which were cool, but the new stuff was pure Stewart crap. The guy is a darkness that hovers over her....she needs to clean house and surround herself with some new people.....maybe she should consider working with the crew from Lady Antebellum. ....anyone but that Stewart clown.


You guys keep applauding her as she goes down in flames. I love people who defend an empty space. She hasn't gone triple platinum in how long? Keep defending her poor choices...go on, defend it....I love who Stevie used to be...not who she has become. I blame Karen.

I don't think anyone here is "defending" her, just stating their opinions. And also as opinions go, many music critics had great reviews for IYD. Myself, I thought it was her best ever solo work. Yes, even better than Bella Donna.

If you're going to count success only by how many platinum albums an artist has, especially these days, maybe you should stick to Mylie Cyrus records. I'm sure she's at least triple platinum.
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When IYD came out, I thought it was her best work since Bella Donna. Now, after a couple years, I'm not as enamored of it. I still think it's good overall, though.
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:47 AM
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Well, I thought IYD was better than Bella Donna, but Bella Donna wasn't my favorite album anyway. I always liked Wild Heart better.

As for the suggestion that she could work with Lady Antebellum, on a song or two, but for an entire CD? I think they would give us more songs like Think About It, After the Glitter Fades, Kinda Woman and the Highwayman. And I wouldn't like to see an overload of those on one album. Two of the slow and moving types is plenty.

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"Pure" crap? Hm. Well the creative process looks to be quite different from what IYD was, if that gives you any hope. But I'm not sure there's any guarantee that a new FM studio album wouldn't be similarly awful. We just have to wait and hope for the best.
Alas, yes. It's at the bottom of the pile along with The Other Side of the Mirror and Street Angel for me. Rubbish. It was just... um... embarassing, IMO. I thought the lyrics were baaaaaad. I hope Dave Stewart doesn't produce her FM songs. Would that ever happen?

Let me add, I would play Bella Donna, Wild Heart, TISL and maybe even Rock A Little to any of my friends.
I would NEVER play them any of the other three.
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