should FM release the album without SN's songs?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

for all we know, and judging by the Tusk doc, Lindsey did much more than just arranging and producing on many of the songs. remember "if we keep your melody on there"? and actually WMYTYTO, TL lyrics project a lot of that frustration. yet he never received or asked for the songwriting credit and unlike with the producing where he gripes about it (and then people slam him when he's asking for producing credit , of course! - isn't he a whiny diva, right? ). he never says what exactly he did on many of Stevie's songs in the past. neither does Stevie, i don't think.

She's talked about it over the years and differently. For SYW she said she came in with pretty fully realized demos.

Well, he doesn't do a whole lot of things with arranging, because my demos are pretty much there. That doesn't mean that they're not 100 percent more terrific after Lindsey works on them. I'm very territorial about the way my songs are arranged. What he does is take the skeleton and then he goes in for hours that we never see him and he plays parts and parts and more parts. He arranges right underneath my little skeleton.

But in the old days before SYW, he did more than that to her songs.

No, no. I would sit down and play him Gold Dust Woman on the guitar, my simple little version, and two days later it would be recorded, and it would be recorded really well. He could take my songs and do what I would do if I had his musical talent. When he wasn't angry with me, that is. That's why there's seven or eight great songs, and there's 50 more where he wasn't happy with me and didn't help me.

That's why I think he shouldn't do anything on her next batch of songs, except maybe sing background, because she and her fans don't need to be complaining about how he ruined or deliberately sabotaged her for the next 10 years.

She once told Rolling Stone,

"I write my songs, but Lindsey puts the magic in, and there's no way, well, I could pay him ten percent. I could walk up to him and thank him. If I were to play you a song the way I wrote it and gave it to them, and then play you the way it is on the album, you would see what Lindsey did."

Today, I don't think she thinks he brings magic to the songs any longer. So, that's the seismic shift. If they've lost the chemistry in the studio, at least they still have it on stage and we're getting all FIVE on a tour. That's good enough for me.

Michele

[elle]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Well, I personally agree with you. I just want new music period. But I can certainly understand where others might want all 5 or nothing. If Stevie is in fact wanting to record with them and it's just a timing issue, then I'd want them to wait so long as it wasn't going to take 5 years or something. Otherwise I'm down for a Chris/Lindsey penned FM record.

yes, that's how i feel. if Stevie doesn't want to record, why try coaxing her? if she changes her mind and there are no more roadblocks, they can release a follow-up album. with 8 songs already recorded Lindsey might already have enough for 2 FM albums, and Christine seems to have as many too.

so release what you have now, i want to hear that new music we've been promised for years!!

[CreepingDeath]

Originally Posted by RockawayBlind

Laugh all you want, but it is clear now more than ever how much more integral to the band Lindsey was, is and will continue to be than Stevie. She was just a pretty face with a couple of good lines that other people turned into listenable songs. She is still a pretty face...

What the f*ck ever. No wonder I don't come to this board anymore. 95% of the worthwhile posters are gone anyway.

P.S.

[welcomechris]

What is this? We get a member to lose a member? Stevie needs to be there.

This is a little bit Like Then Play On. One Member Doesn't Have Any Songs But Works On A Solo Album.

[RockawayBlind]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Is there any room in your statement for Stevie having the most distinct voice in rock and roll?

Yes, of course. I should have mentioned that.

Originally Posted by vivfox

Based on your screen name it is obvious you are an LB fan but I find it sad that you find the need to cut down Stevie while trying to place Lindsey on a pedestal.

Don't be sad. So many more important things in the world to be sad about. Really.

[RockawayBlind]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

But fleshing something out structurally/instrumentally is not the same thing as writing a song. It's arranging. I could take a song of Stevie's and completely change everything but the lyrics and melody and that doesn't mean I now can claim to have written my version of her song. I just made a new arrangement of it.

In all fairness, you are absolutely correct about this. I should have made the point myself when I downplayed Stevie's talent and contribution. I should have been more fair.

[RockawayBlind]

Originally Posted by CreepingDeath

What the f*ck ever. No wonder I don't come to this board anymore. 95% of the worthwhile posters are gone anyway.

P.S.

Thanks for taking the time to update us on why you don't come to the board anymore, which actually required coming to the board to do.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Is there any room in your statement for Stevie having the most distinct voice in rock and roll? Nobody sounds like her. Her songs may have had help in their creations but in the end it is her name on them and most of them are such timeless classics that I have thanked God for a million and one times. Stevie Nicks has enhanced my life and the life of millions.

I will always love Lindsey and Christine too.

Based on your screen name it is obvious you are an LB fan but I find it sad that you find the need to cut down Stevie while trying to place Lindsey on a pedestal.

He's hostile towards Stevie don't you think?

[elle]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

He's hostile towards Stevie don't you think?

i think we don't have to worry about that anymore. DS started tweeting stuff like pics of SN with bunny ears, and now peeps are back to SN forum, smitten by all the cuteness and back to agreeing with what i've been saying throughout this thread - that SN should do whatever makes her happy and that's obviously solo. everything is back on track, priorities are clear.


so back to the business of worrying about FM - get that album out ASAP boys and girl!!!!!

[Jondalar]

I will say that if it weren't for all Stevie's networking, Fleetwood Mac would probably be almost forgotten about.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

I will say that if it weren't for all Stevie's networking, Fleetwood Mac would probably be almost forgotten about.

make no mistake, Stevie networks for herself, not for FM - and she's been extremely good at it lately. i have more and more respect for her savvy and next to no respect for the rest of them, especially the boys who she's been dragging through the mud and leaving in the dust again and again. and it's happening now again while providing them i'm sure some heart-wrenching excuse why she yet again cannot work with them and has to do solo stuff.

i understand they needed Stevie before when they were just a 4-some, but they need to grow some balls and go their own way, now when they have Christine back.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

I will say that if it weren't for all Stevie's networking, Fleetwood Mac would probably be almost forgotten about.

Shhhh...The Lindsey & Christine fans might hear you...Do you want to have to go into hiding emerging only at night for scraps of food???

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by elle

make no mistake, Stevie networks for herself, not for FM - and she's been extremely good at it lately.

I agree, but I think that her visibility helps FM, too. I don't think she intends to promote the band in any way, but it does. Inevitably they are brought up, or an FM song is played or referenced, etc. Heck, Lindsey even got a shoutout on American Horror Story thanks to Stevie letting them use her music. If you look into Stevie, you end up finding out about Fleetwood Mac.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by elle

make no mistake, Stevie networks for herself, not for FM - and she's been extremely good at it lately. i have more and more respect for her savvy and next to no respect for the rest of them, especially the boys who she's been dragging through the mud and leaving in the dust again and again. and it's happening now again while providing them i'm sure some heart-wrenching excuse why she yet again cannot work with them and has to do solo stuff.

i understand they needed Stevie before when they were just a 4-some, but they need to grow some balls and go their own way, now when they have Christine back.

Originally Posted by elle

i actually agree with you (just to make it clear). i think she should be doing what she wants and loves.

my beef is not with her, my beef is with the rest of the FM. i think they should let her do what she wants to, but if what she's doing does not fit with what they are doing, they should go their own way just like she is.

I understand your frustration but I couldn't resist




I wonder if Mick is over compensating for a lack of something...

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by elle

make no mistake, Stevie networks for herself, not for FM - and she's been extremely good at it lately. i have more and more respect for her savvy and next to no respect for the rest of them, especially the boys who she's been dragging through the mud and leaving in the dust again and again. and it's happening now again while providing them i'm sure some heart-wrenching excuse why she yet again cannot work with them and has to do solo stuff.

i understand they needed Stevie before when they were just a 4-some, but they need to grow some balls and go their own way, now when they have Christine back.

You keep saying that you're gaining respect for her and losing it for the others. Why are you gaining respect for her screwing over her band mates? I don't find it to be admirable. If you think the band should kick her out and you lose respect because they don't, fine. But I don't it's commendable what Stevie is doing. It's not like she's quitting the band and she doesn't want to. She's using them. She's more commercially viable with the band too, you know.