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Old 12-08-2013, 05:30 PM
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If they had to they could ask Ricky Peterson from Stevie's band...
That's a good idea. I hadn't thought of him before. He is a good keyboard player.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:39 PM
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Well then I don't see any reason Brett and Chris couldn't be in the band together. Brett would just move to the . Position he was at during the dance.
We don't know if that role would include a pay cut or not, but luckily for him, he's kind of a jack of all trades.

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Old 12-08-2013, 05:42 PM
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If the band is really worried about Christine changing her mind and quitting before the next album and or tour are completed they can always put it in the contract...Think of it as a "Rock and Roll" pre-nup...
They could do that and I think if Christine rejoins certain members of the band may insist on it, but really if one member of the band decides it's too much for them keep touring and is unhappy I don't think anyone in the band would want to force them to stay and be miserable.

All of this makes me think that if Christine had not quit the band in early 1998 that they would have kept on touring in 1998 and I have seen many people post that they thought The Dance Tour was the best FM tour they've seen so far. So sad....
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:52 PM
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We don't know if that role would include a pay cut or not, but luckily for him, he's kind of a jack of all trades.

Michele
Well that would be a slap in the face. Your demoted and your pays cut just because one of the original band members is sick of her self enforced exile (I'm not being mean just looking at it from Brett' s posssible point of view) and wants to come back. I would be ticked off if it were me. However I doubt they would cut his pay too, that would be too much for him too have to take especially since he's done nothing wrong.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:59 PM
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Well that would be a slap in the face. Your demoted and your pays cut just because one of the original band members is sick of her self enforced exile (I'm not being mean just looking at it from Brett' s posssible point of view) and wants to come back. I would be ticked off if it were me. However I doubt they would cut his pay too, that would be too much for him too have to take especially since he's done nothing wrong.
He's a journeyman musician; he doesn't, I don't think, have particular job security in any part of his work. So 'demotion' wouldn't be the right term. In any case, as I said on the previous page, he seems respectful enough to realise that he ought to step aside if Chris comes back.

It's not about having done anything wrong. I should imagine that, if Christine came back, there'd still be plenty for him to do as there was in 1997. She will need, as Michele says, the same assistance which she had then, and he can also play guitar and sing.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:05 PM
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At first view I thought.... "Wow, Stevie sounds like she really doesn't want Christine in the band." I kind of thought her body language and voice did not lean on the positive side..... but, now I look at it...and I think it is Stevie kind of saying.... "I would love for her to come back, but we have begged for years....and I just don't want to get my hopes up.....so I won't be disappointed." But, I know she must really want her to come back....
Yeah, you can't disguise... (sorry, LOL!) body language unless you're some kind of sociopath, which she is clearly not. Stevie's definitely showing some resignation about the issue. I agree with you that she isn't getting her hopes up. But I also think she has adjusted her view on the topic a bit in light of other opinions on the matter.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:07 PM
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It's interesting that you say Lindsey is loyal. That may be so, though I think Richard Dashut - on recent comments from various sources - might disagree.
all these various sources being Ken Caillat.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:09 PM
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He's a journeyman musician; he doesn't, I don't think, have particular job security in any part of his work. So 'demotion' wouldn't be the right term. In any case, as I said on the previous page, he seems respectful enough to realise that he ought to step aside if Chris comes back.

It's not about having done anything wrong. I should imagine that, if Christine came back, there'd still be plenty for him to do as there was in 1997. She will need, as Michele says, the same assistance which she had then, and he can also play guitar and sing.
I met Brett a few years ago and he seemed like a pretty good, down-to-earth kind of guy. He'd understand if he had to step down. But I wouldn't feel bad for him because he plays guitar also, as Ulpian said. And there's always a role for him in Stevie's touring band.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:43 PM
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He's a journeyman musician; he doesn't, I don't think, have particular job security in any part of his work. So 'demotion' wouldn't be the right term. In any case, as I said on the previous page, he seems respectful enough to realise that he ought to step aside if Chris comes back.

It's not about having done anything wrong. I should imagine that, if Christine came back, there'd still be plenty for him to do as there was in 1997. She will need, as Michele says, the same assistance which she had then, and he can also play guitar and sing.
I agree that as a working musician it's part of the job, but he still's a man and I don't know any man that would be OK with getting moved to to a back up position or having their pay cut. I mean logically it makes sense, but emotionally it still hurts.

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Old 12-08-2013, 06:53 PM
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I agree that as a working musician it's part of the job, but he still's a man and I don't know any man that would be OK with getting moved to to a back up position or having their pay cut. I mean I logically it makes sense, but emotionally it still hurts.
Wow. Well, as a man I find that a little insulting. I'm sure you didn't mean it to be, so I'll run with it. As a man, if the job I was doing had been done by someone else previously, who had pretty much written the book on what I was doing and whom I respected and liked, I'd step back and take a different role in a heartbeat.

As for the pay, what do we know about financial arrangements? They might pay him the same if she came back but instead of doing the main keyboard parts, ask him to take on other stuff in addition to backing keys.

I just think from all I've ever read about him, in his words and others, that he would be totally fine about it. He has other streams of income from other musical jobs and, let's not forget, it's been a huge privilege for him to keep Christine's seat warm these last three tours, but - with great respect to him - that is all he has done.
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:04 PM
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Wow. Well, as a man I find that a little insulting. I'm sure you didn't mean it to be, so I'll run with it. As a man, if the job I was doing had been done by someone else previously, who had pretty much written the book on what I was doing and whom I respected and liked, I'd step back and take a different role in a heartbeat.

As for the pay, what do we know about financial arrangements? They might pay him the same if she came back but instead of doing the main keyboard parts, ask him to take on other stuff in addition to backing keys.

I just think from all I've ever read about him, in his words and others, that he would be totally fine about it. He has other streams of income from other musical jobs and, let's not forget, it's been a huge privilege for him to keep Christine's seat warm these last three tours, but - with great respect to him - that is all he has done.
Your right. I meant absolutely no disrespect to anyone and I'm sorry did you were offended by it. Honestly, I don't think any guy I know would take it well (and by that I don't mean they would get mad or yell, but they would still be upset), even if they did understand why it was happening. I shouldn't have made my statement so broad, because everyone has a different way of looking at things.
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:19 PM
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Your right. I meant absolutely no disrespect to anyone and I'm sorry did you were offended by it. I shouldn't have made my statement so broad, because everyone has a different way of looking at things.
Broad??? Are you cutting down women now?
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:18 PM
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I never though I'd hear the words "Illuminati" come out of her mouth I hope they don't go after her now, if they're real...
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:52 PM
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I never though I'd hear the words "Illuminati" come out of her mouth I hope they don't go after her now, if they're real...
She was obviously referring to a song she's written called "Illuminati" which is about her signing "Illume" in Cincinnati

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I think Brett still has plenty to do with Christine there.
People might not realize it, but there are a lot of keyboard modules and workstations in use at a Fleetwood concert. Christine had a backup keyboardist on the Tango, Mask, and Dance tours, and it was a full-time job in every case. The old-timer fans used to complain about all the "hardware" onstage. We were essentially complaining about all the keyboard equipment.

If there's anyone here who knows Brett, ask him whether he gets any workstation or "triggering" help from a second guy. Is he his own keyboard techie?
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