John McVie

[blackcat]

AHOY JOHN! Time to lengthen the cords, strengthen the sails. Your fans in Philadelphia are praying for you and wish you God Speed through this storm.
love, blackcat

[WelshWitchPMD]

Sending love and light to John McVie and hope he has a speedy recovery.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Exactly. John may care what people think about him, but he doesn't care what people HERE think about him. Comments here are not going to upset him personally or impact his upcoming fight. This is not a tribute board. I know people use it like that, but it really is not one.

If people are baiting and trolling to inflame other people posting here, once that's determined, it won't last long. But the moderators are going to make that determination. If you're being attacked, action will be taken, but if John is, not so much.

Trolling will be handled. But if all a poster is doing is insulting band members, that's not wrong. It may trouble others, but there are plenty of places you can go where people will only pay honor to the public figure. This place has never been like that. So, I don't know why anyone would think it will magically change now. It won't. Reverence isn't required or particularly encouraged, here. You should know that by now. If you think fans shouldn't talk like this, then stop considering it a fan site.

As far as talking about John's future goes, we WILL talk about it, appropriate or not, until we see him on the stage again. That's just a matter of fact. It may not be respectful, but it's going to happen.

We love him, but he's at home with people who KNOW and love him and that HE knows and whose opinions he cares about. We are not those people. We have no idea what his cancer is, what the course of treatment is and what the prognosis is, so clearly our views are uninformed and will not impact those who do have information in any way whatsoever.

Michele

So if it's not a tribute board, than what is it? Isn't this a place where we all come together because we love the band?

And I happen to think that John was attacked, he is a member of this board and he was greatly insulted. I guess that's ok than???

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

So if it's not a tribute board, than what is it? Isn't this a place where we all come together because we love the band?

And I happen to think that John was attacked, he is a member of this board and he was greatly insulted. I guess that's ok than???

Yes it is ok. No, it's not a tribute board. John isn't actually a member of this board, although he did post here 10 years ago. He is a public figure and things are going to be said about him that people don't like.

Listen, you know that scene on Airplane where everyone stands in line to hit the old lady, with all of their different weapons in hand? Well, everyone here can stand in line and have ONE shot to hit the old lady that is Phil's controversial post. So, anyone who hasn't expressed their disapproval yet, step up and without attacking Phil personally, say you disagree if that's what you want to do. You can do that once, but we aren't going to have the same people continuing to post on this subject. I think that itself detracts from the "John McVie" topic. Enough.

We aren't going to have a series of posts saying.

1. I don't like that post.
2. I still don't like that post.
3. I like that post even less today than I did yesterday.

It's senseless and it's not going to be allowed. I ask the moderators for their opinions. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes, we're collectively uncertain. Sometimes, we disagree with each other, but really when it comes to operation of the board those are the only 4 opinions that are going to be considered. I'm sorry the forum is a disappointment and has turned into something you don't like, but I know you can vote with your web browser.

Michele

[HejiraNYC]

[michelej1]

^LOL. She wasn't an old lady after all. I'm confusing her with another character in that movie.

Another thing I was thinking following the liver discussion is you may have seen shows after London and I didn't. But just from the videos -- which I know don't give you the impression that attending the concert as a whole do -- the band has looked kind of happy and buoyant for most of the last month of shows.

I mean, not John, but Mick, Stevie and Lindsey. Vibes are subjective, but I would have expected them to seem a little different if they thought the outlook was very bad. Of course, the last Landslide dedication is another story, but I mean the shows before that happened. They seemed pretty bouncy.

Michele

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Another thing I was thinking following the liver discussion is you may have seen shows after London and I didn't. But just from the videos -- which I know don't give you the impression that attending the concert as a whole do -- the band has looked kind of happy and buoyant for most of the last month of shows.

I mean, not John, but Mick, Stevie and Lindsey. Vibes are subjective, but I would have expected them to seem a little different if they thought the outlook was very bad. Of course, the last Landslide dedication is another story, but I mean the shows before that happened. They seemed pretty bouncy.

I've only seen videos from the other shows and they did look pretty happy to me.

[Wendy Welch]

John has made it through many scares since I married Bob. Some quite serious, and I feel he will fight and make it through this. God bless you, John.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by michelej1

The bad perceptions we have of liver cancer only apply if it's not caught in the early stages. If it is, that's rare, BUT in John's case, we have to assume he passed a pre-tour medical examination just this year. So, that's reason to hope that nothing was at an advanced stage then and that it's really true it was caught early on.

Michele

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/liverca...survival-rates

[applebucked]

My grandmother and uncle have both died of liver cancer so this really hits close to home if that was indeed the case.

[SteveMacD]

Until it's confirmed by the band, I wouldn't believe anything that's coming out about John's cancer. Thus far we've heard liver, colon, and throat, and to varying degrees. The bottom line is that it's all rumor until official sources say what it is.

The fact that the Vegas show appears to still be on tells me that the band is optimistic that at least that show will still go on. That could also easily change.

All we can do is wish the man well and enjoy his music.

[sjpdg]

Originally Posted by BLY

Thoughts and Prayers for John McVie.

God Bless you John!! Our prayers and thoughts are with you and your family!!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/liverca...survival-rates

But -- forgive me I am just quoting what I heard Sanjay Gupta say about Michael Douglas-- he was saying that the original source of the cancer matters. So, if it started as colon cancer and spread to the liver, then that's not the same as when it starts in the liver, survival rate wise. Although, like Ed said, if it spread from the colon that means it wasn't as nascent as we'd hoped.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by applebucked

I've only seen videos from the other shows and they did look pretty happy to me.

I think so. There was that one time where we talked about Stevie having a cold or something -- both Stevie and Lindsey having a cold. And Stevie seemed off to the people who were there. But after that, they've seemed kind of happy and I don't really think they're that good as actors. I think they must have been feeling positive about John, to be up like that.

I just say that about Stevie and Lindsey, because I've seen their moods change on stage. I can't really say about Mick. I honestly can't say that I've ever seen Mick act differently from one show to the other. I mean, I have to go by what he SAYS. I've never noticed a real change in his demeanor. I mean, he's somber when the mood calls for it (like after the Reno fight), but he can turn it right back on after the somber moment passes.

It's fun to remember him and John on stage playing when they come back from the encore. The way John always wards Mick off, puts up his hands. I am sure they continued to do that for the last shows. It would be fun just to have the last two shows in their entirety, now that we know.

And Stevie and John have some little routines too. They tip hats to each other and she bows to him a lot during GDW.

Michele

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by michelej1

But -- forgive me I am just quoting what I heard Sanjay Gupta say about Michael Douglas-- he was saying that the original source of the cancer matters. So, if it started as colon cancer and spread to the liver, then that's not the same as when it starts in the liver, survival rate wise. Although, like Ed said, if it spread from the colon that means it wasn't as nascent as we'd hoped.

If the cancer has spread to any distant organs, things aren't really looking pretty good because it means it's already in a pretty advanced stage. But until we get an official word, our minds will not be at peace. Still hoping for the best and that the treatment he's receiving will help a tremendous amount regardless of his condition.