Is Stevie winning the war....

Jondalar · #1 10-23-2013, 06:29 PM

Seems like she is doing better than Cher, Bette, Linda, Pat.... a whole of them. It's like she has been an underground darkhorse for years but now she just seems to be kicking ass and standing the test of time better. Perhaps, because she didn't change.... thoughts...

BombaySapphire3 · #2 10-23-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

Seems like she is doing better than Cher, Bette, Linda, Pat.... a whole of them. It's like she has been an underground darkhorse for years but now she just seems to be kicking ass and standing the test of time better. Perhaps, because she didn't change.... thoughts...

I wouldn't exactly call her underground when she was a major star in the late 1970s through the early 80s and cited as a big influence from The Dance on..Cher and Bette are diiferent types of stars as they also had successful at one time film careers and for Cher TV as well so it is kind of like apples and oranges

Linda can no longer perform or record at all as we know due to illness so is it really fair to even bring her up

redbird · #3 10-23-2013, 06:50 PM

Well OTOH did Stevie have a "second career" hit on the scale of Cher's "Believe"?

Part of it in my amateur opinion is that the poptimist "movement" bodes well for FM and therefore its members. Also Stevie hasn't given people the opportunity to be sick of her for like 20 years. There are many consumers who weren't even born before then. But being a Rock Chick will mean that her name will keep getting mentioned as rockism tries to enter the 21st century. Also plenty of people probably like the airy fairy thing given the rise of fantasy and paranormal stuff recently.

At the same time plenty of people probably are still at the South Park goat joke level. She's not untouchable, though FM has gotten some love of late from younger crowds with various members being the favorites and unfavorites of various voices.

Anyway like you've said she's not an idiot at networking either, though probably neither she nor FM are taking full advantage.

Macfanforever · #4 10-23-2013, 07:51 PM

I agree Cher had a great comeback with Believe.I can add Tina Turner in the 1980's. I feel for Linda Ronstadt what shes going through now ,She did great with her Nelson Riddle Orchestra recordings and her other collaborations with other great artists like Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris to name a couple .

I wish Stevie would spread her wings and try something different then what she normally sings.

I haven't heard anything from Pat and Bette lately.

I love Bette's Movies.

Jondalar · #5 10-23-2013, 08:06 PM

People talk about Stevie differently like she has been soo influential more so than some other ladys. Stevie never did a lot press in the 70s or 80s. She has been playing the game well the last 15 years and It's worked. She is truly an icon, a major one.

StevieNicksfann · #6 10-23-2013, 09:49 PM

Maybe not officially chart-wise, but in terms of popularity and resurgence on the radio, I would consider Silver Springs in 1997 as her second coming

Jondalar · #7 10-23-2013, 09:58 PM

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Maybe not officially chart-wise, but in terms of popularity and resurgence on the radio, I would consider Silver Springs in 1997 as her second coming

that's all, more than that I think...

StreetAngel86 · #8 10-23-2013, 11:42 PM

i don't think Stevie's ever gone away and made a comeback as such (except for post rehab/the dance ... but that was a whole band thing)

she's always around, lurking, flying under the radar
making waves here and there.
i think she chooses her involvement in things fairly carefully but wants to be mainstream and current ... like with GoT (or Twilight

)

and ita with bombaysapphire3 you just can't make comparisons with these ladies.
i was a fan of bette's since i was about 6, way before i was a stevie fan.
i associated bette with being an actress/comedian

and cher ... well, freaking everyone knows cher whether you're a fan or not

Villavic · #9 10-24-2013, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by redbird

Well OTOH did Stevie have a "second career" hit on the scale of Cher's "Believe"?
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And of Cher's concert DVDs!!

Macfanforever · #10 10-25-2013, 12:28 AM

As I remember . Stevie put up a big fight with Pat B on the charts in the early 1980's.

Jondalar · #11 10-25-2013, 03:44 PM

There is something underground and cooler about Stevie than Cher. She has been embraced by alternative. I like Cher a lot and I think she is an excellent actress. However, I think her and Bette have sort of lots momentum, while Stevie is sort of like the little engine that could. She keeps getting redescovered in certain ways. She hasn't had a bonafide Top 40 song since 1989, but you wouldn't know it from the headlines. She never gave up.

(I guess I do have a beef with Cher. After she won the oscar she basically quit acting. Was that why she did it? She gave great performances in Mask, Come back to the Five and Fime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean, and movies such as Silkwood but once she got that oscar, it fealt like she lost her edge and had nothing more to prove. That woman can act. She could of been nominated a lot more oscars.)

Dex · #12 10-26-2013, 06:45 AM

Stevie is a cult-singer songwriter, which is always an act that's going to stand the test of time better than that of an out-and-out pop star, which is how I'd describe most of the women mentioned above. She's doing well for herself, for sure. But I think she compares more naturally to the likes of Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, Dolly Parton, etc. Really individual, pioneering women singer-songwriters. And in that light I'm not sure she holds up quite as well. That's not a knock on her career, though. Those are tough acts to compare to, indeed.

Dex · #13 10-26-2013, 06:51 AM

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(I guess I do have a beef with Cher. After she won the oscar she basically quit acting. Was that why she did it? She gave great performances in Mask, Come back to the Five and Fime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean, and movies such as Silkwood but once she got that oscar, it fealt like she lost her edge and had nothing more to prove. That woman can act. She could of been nominated a lot more oscars.)

I agree in some ways. I love Cher as an actress. But I think "quit acting" isn't entirely accurate. She did another lead role and has had minor roles steadily since then. And we don't really know exactly what happened. Did she consciously choose not to take on many more major roles? I can certainly understand a reluctance to continue to try and live up to such an ultimate career peak, but I'm not convinced that was the way of it.

Let's face it, after a certain point, many people felt Cher just wouldn't be "believe"able (har!) as anything other than Cher.

MikeInNV · #14 10-26-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

Stevie is a cult-singer songwriter, which is always an act that's going to stand the test of time better than that of an out-and-out pop star, which is how I'd describe most of the women mentioned above. She's doing well for herself, for sure. But I think she compares more naturally to the likes of Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, Dolly Parton, etc. Really individual, pioneering women singer-songwriters. And in that light I'm not sure she holds up quite as well. That's not a knock on her career, though. Those are tough acts to compare to, indeed.

She may not be as ubitquitously famous as somelike Cher, but I wouldn't go so far as cult. She's definitely more mainstream and widely known than Joni Mitchell or Kate Bush, at least in the U.S.

Dex · #15 10-26-2013, 11:04 AM

Hm, ok. Subtract "cult" from my statement. I think you're probably right. But I still think my point holds. And I'm not so sure about her being more mainstream than Joni Mitchell. She doesn't have so many hits, sure, but I think the average young American would be a lot less likely to give you a blank stare and a "who?" when you bring up Joni than when you bring up Stevie. At least that's been my experience.