Stevies Phone Lecture to Lindsey

[getTusked]

Originally Posted by lbfan

The guys obviously wanted to tour to make $. Since LB has no sexual interest in SN now, he will obviously endure the 90 minute lecture to gain her consent to tour. That is not to imply there is not a deep friendship and love between SN and LB, but the two most common reasons for people's actions are sex and money. In this case it was money.

Ehhh...maybe for some members of the band?

I honestly think one of the big reasons for Lindsey wanting any tour with the Mac is that he genuinely loves playing and being on stage...I mean seriously what the hell else is he going to do if he didn't have music? He can do things with FM that he doesn't necessarily do in his solo career...I think he literally needs both "machines" in his life. He's never been the hesitant one (other than 87)..that's usually Stevie.

As for S and L, whatever the hell they are or what is going on, they always come back to each other in some way and I think they acknowledge now that they are clearly a. meant to sing together forever and b. just meant to be in each other's lives....and that could be in several different forms: as friends, muses, musical partners...whatever it is it is never nothing. I don't really think any of them are hurting for money. No matter what they say, some part of them has to actually WANT to do it...or they wouldn't do it.

But that's just my opinion

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

The fact that he only clipped 1 nail shows that as soon as Stevie realized what he was doing she pulled her hand away. (IMO)

I think the fact that one nail was clipped, probably indicates that was needed for guitar playing. Obviously, piano is different, but this was guitar. Lindsey plays differently than Stevie does -- I don't know if she mostly finger picked back then, but I'm guessing not. But she would not need all of her nails shortened anyway for guitar, although he might. I know players who keep the nails on certain fingers long deliberately. They don't keep the nails one uniform length, depending on what they need to do with the different fingers and how they play.

I don't think the fact that it was one nail shows she had quick reflexes and pulled back before he could inflict any more damage. I would need more details from her to determine what she meant at all.

Michele

[guitarchick82]

I'm just popping in real quick to weigh in on the fingernail clipping incident. I play guitar fingerpicking style and let me tell you, it is pretty much impossible to play guitar in ANY style without at least cutting the fingernails on your left hand (or right hand, if you're a left-handed player). If you don't clip those fingernails short, you'll never be able to press on the strings hard enough to make decent sounding chords. It'll sound all muffled because your finger nails are in the way. It's the same for any stringed instrument where you have to press the strings against a fretboard to produce sound. As for the other hand (the strumming or finger picking hand), you can clip those too if you plan on playing with a pick. But if you're like Lindsey, you'd leave those longer.

Personally, when I watched that interview where Stevie told the fingernail clipping story, my first thought was that she must be dramatizing it because (a.) She's Stevie Nicks and, (b.) Who would clip just one finger nail anyway? Or maybe that's as far as poor Lindsey got before she unleashed on him. I now have an image in my mind of him quietly approaching her while she's sleeping, crouching by the side of the bed and trying to clip her nails before she wakes up!

[michelej1]

My old boss plays and he keeps the baby finger and the index finger nails long and the other ones are short, which looks really strange, but he says the long index helps him pluck each string individually when he tunes and the long baby fingernail is good to help him make accent sounds.

He said in the past, when people saw his hand they thought he had long nails for a secret cocaine habit.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by getTusked

As for S and L, whatever the hell they are or what is going on, they always come back to each other in some way and I think they acknowledge now that they are clearly a. meant to sing together forever and b. just meant to be in each other's lives....and that could be in several different forms: as friends, muses, musical partners...whatever it is it is never nothing. I don't really think any of them are hurting for money. No matter what they say, some part of them has to actually WANT to do it...or they wouldn't do it.

But that's just my opinion

I like it.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

The story is not even that important however I think she use it to illustrate how Lindsey's controlling attitude caused problems between the two of them from the very beginning of their relationship. It appears that her response to his high handed attitude towards her was not to explain to him how she felt, but to challenge him, which is what ultimately caused the Stevie/Lindsey competition that existed until recently.

Nicely said.

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

The money line of thought, I assume? Well, apparently that only leaves us one explanation then. Guess that that's sorted. Have fun, kids!

worth reading this whole thread for
def not about the money.
only mick needs $$
stevie didn't have a D&M with Mick now did she

[iamnotafraid]

Is there an expiration date on this Stevie & Lindsey
relationship talk?


When we're down to fingernail stories, I'd say it's time
to let it go.


To argue over new Fleetwood Mac music would be
a joy.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Is there an expiration date on this Stevie & Lindsey relationship talk?

Frankly, no. Not for some of us (sorry!) and, certainly, not for them, apparently.

When I see you again, / As I always do
It appears to me that / Destiny rules

I've been with you before / I'll be with you again
I'll come back for more, yeah / The story has a strange ending

When we're down to fingernail stories, I'd say it's time to let it go.

I'm pretty sure they can both pull out some more equally inconsequential stories to amuse us with in between the heavier stuff. Let's move up to the hands and not just focus on the fingernails, eh?

My heart still stops / When I stand before you
And my heart still breaks / When you take my hand
And my heart still cries / When someone speaks your name
And you understand

To argue over new Fleetwood Mac music would be a joy.

Just make sure you discuss the lyrics without reference to Stevie and Lindsey's relationship, okay? Have fun. (leaving out repetitious chorus' etc, naturally)

Maybe I've just been holding out too long
Maybe I couldn't admit that I was wrong
And maybe I've just been lying to myself
And no one else

Slow down, baby
Cross that line
If you want to save me
It takes time

Maybe I've wasted all this precious time
Trying to prove what is and isn't mine
Wondering to myself if you knew
It was all for you

_

I had another dream of you last night
Sailing on a sea of blue
You were grieving for someone else
I was grieving for you

Miss Fantasy
It may be you don't remember me
But I remember you

In between the shadow and the sun
In between the black and blue
From a window I heard your voice
Telling me we were through

And do you still tremble when I fall?
Will you still answer when I call?
Would you still love to linger up against that wall?

Everybody saying shine your light
Everybody knows it’s true
You're the queen of the underground
Never leaving a clue

_

My eyes were consumed
By the silence in the room
Your dreams would not wake
From the words that we break

Hello, hello, sad angel
Have you come to fight the war
The drums, a fire, a calling
My soul marches out the door

We fall to earth together
The crowd calling out for more
Hello, hello, sad angel
Have you come to fight the war

My eyes saw the words
With a prayer and a curse
Your pain had to sleep
With a sword that it keeps

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Frankly, no. Not for some of us (sorry!) and, certainly, not for them, apparently.


I'm pretty sure they can both pull out some more equally inconsequential stories to amuse us with in between the heavier stuff. Let's move up to the hands and not just focus on the fingernails, eh?

You're probably right. Sad but true.

As long as "fingernail" isn't a chapter
in her autobiography, I'll be okay.

[redbird]

There are worse things than listening to someone you used to have a serious relationship with air out their long-contained issues with you. Who cares if it's pleasant or not? It's healthy. Relationships -- working relationships, friendships -- take work, it's not all about how much fun a guy is having with his ex girlfriend. It was a healthy step to take.

OMG no! A guy has to listen to a girl talk (girls and phones and talking lol har har har!) for 90 minutes! Quel horreur!!!!11

If she was taking steps to be more honest, then "fun" or not it's a positive step. It doesn't sound like a "Our relationship should consist of me always doing all the talking and you doing all the listening" thing, just that Stevie had 45 years of things she never expressed and finally decided to woman up and express them. She always came off to me as someone who would keep things in and then all of a sudden she'd find herself resentful, so it's better to get it out than continue that pattern any longer.

[elle]

Originally Posted by redbird

There are worse things than listening to someone you used to have a serious relationship with air out their long-contained issues with you. Who cares if it's pleasant or not? It's healthy. Relationships -- working relationships, friendships -- take work, it's not all about how much fun a guy is having with his ex girlfriend. It was a healthy step to take.

OMG no! A guy has to listen to a girl talk (girls and phones and talking lol har har har!) for 90 minutes! Quel horreur!!!!11

If she was taking steps to be more honest, then "fun" or not it's a positive step. It doesn't sound like a "Our relationship should consist of me always doing all the talking and you doing all the listening" thing, just that Stevie had 45 years of things she never expressed and finally decided to woman up and express them. She always came off to me as someone who would keep things in and then all of a sudden she'd find herself resentful, so it's better to get it out than continue that pattern any longer.

i agree that it's healthy, in general.

but put it in the context SN is telling it in. the way she describes it, you'd think LB really didn't wanna tour with the Mac or work with her anymore, but luckily her spilling it all out made him want to go on tour - he finally saw the reason and it was that cleansing for him.

now think back, who did want to work together / tour FM, and who didn't, for several years now?

also do you really think Stevie Nicks keeps stuff bottled in? really? maybe that's new development - i only followed the Mac for the last few years, but during that time it seem that woman can never stop talking. (same as Mick, in fact.) somehow, i can't believe that she never said all this stuff before.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Maybe I've just been holding out too long
Maybe I couldn't admit that I was wrong
And maybe I've just been lying to myself
And no one else

Slow down, baby
Cross that line
If you want to save me
It takes time

Maybe I've wasted all this precious time
Trying to prove what is and isn't mine
Wondering to myself if you knew
It was all for you

_

I had another dream of you last night
Sailing on a sea of blue
You were grieving for someone else
I was grieving for you

Miss Fantasy
It may be you don't remember me
But I remember you

In between the shadow and the sun
In between the black and blue
From a window I heard your voice
Telling me we were through

And do you still tremble when I fall?
Will you still answer when I call?
Would you still love to linger up against that wall?

Everybody saying shine your light
Everybody knows it’s true
You're the queen of the underground
Never leaving a clue

_

My eyes were consumed
By the silence in the room
Your dreams would not wake
From the words that we break

Hello, hello, sad angel
Have you come to fight the war
The drums, a fire, a calling
My soul marches out the door

We fall to earth together
The crowd calling out for more
Hello, hello, sad angel
Have you come to fight the war

My eyes saw the words
With a prayer and a curse
Your pain had to sleep
With a sword that it keeps

i like it, thank you for pasting these in!

so?? anybody up "to linger up against that wall"?

[redbird]

I watched the Loose Women video where Stevie said the "everything I wanted to say to you for 35 years talk" bit, and the question that prompted it was "Are there things you all have agreed not to talk about any more?", not "What did it take to get Lindsey to agree to a tour?" so I don't really understand your impression that she singlehandedly made LB agree to cooperate with her/the band again. It was, to me, quite obviously in context of how they could manage to interact with each other in a functional way again after all the baggage between them.

And you can be a chatty cathy and still not talk about the things that really matter. She might have said things before but not in a productive and totally forthcoming way. You can say things and be passive aggressive or avoidant or indecisive, you can start bringing up a point and then change your mind about really explaining the extent of your issues. She's always come across to me as someone who'll talk a lot about being a strong woman but also clearly has a peacekeeping, don't-rock-the-boat side, because she brings it up herself, so yeah I can easily believe that she never talked about her issues in as healthy a way before (obviously these things are not black and white and there are degrees of forthcomingness) because she always seemed to me to trying to be convince herself that it's okay to do XYZ when she talks so big about doing XYZ.

[elle]

Originally Posted by redbird

so yeah I can easily believe that she never talked about her issues in as healthy a way before (obviously these things are not black and white and there are degrees of forthcomingness) because she always seemed to me to trying to be convince herself that it's okay to do XYZ when she talks so big about doing XYZ.

well, apparently she needed to get it out so she can work with him. so, good for her and all of them. whether this specific talk, or her mother's death and facing mortality, or whatever else it was, it all together must have changed her outlook and it's making this tour much happier for everybody.