Stevie Nicks - IYD is now available for pre-order on iTunes.

[Phil]

Perhaps the reason there was no studio footage of "Italian Summer" was because they had to autotune the **** out of her vocal and then patch together a composite track for that final note?

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

You think so? If I think about it, I would guess he probably said something more like what we saw in that Tusk footage, sarcastic, but not outright disparaging, like she'd say is this awful and he'd probably be like, "in a word, yes."

Oh I think he was holding back in that scene coz they were being filmed.

Maybe you and I are sort of saying the same thing. Him coming at her stuff like "this would be better if you did this /changed this/rewrote this part" can kinda come off, if you're Stevie, like saying it's crappy. I mean, she thinks it's golden right out of the box and clearly if he is taking it apart and making it something else he doesn't exactly think it's great. Especially if he immediately starts in with his 'fixes' without saying anything supportive or pointing out the parts he likes

I'll have to find that Charlie Rose clip.. .because he really admits that he was not certainly diplomatic about his critiques of her work and let's face it, Lindsey can be a bit, um... arrogant... at times. One thing I've always thought is that it would suck to be on the receiving end of one of his critiques. He can be quite withering and contemptuous. Or was. He seems to try harder to think first these days.

[ragrsrocalot]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Oh I think he was holding back in that scene coz they were being filmed.

Maybe you and I are sort of saying the same thing. Him coming at her stuff like "this would be better if you did this /changed this/rewrote this part" can kinda come off, if you're Stevie, like saying it's crappy. I mean, she thinks it's golden right out of the box and clearly if he is taking it apart and making it something else he doesn't exactly think it's great. Especially if he immediately starts in with his 'fixes' without saying anything supportive or pointing out the parts he likes

I'll have to find that Charlie Rose clip.. .because he really admits that he was not certainly diplomatic about his critiques of her work and let's face it, Lindsey can be a bit, um... arrogant... at times. One thing I've always thought is that it would suck to be on the receiving end of one of his critiques. He can be quite withering and contemptuous. Or was. He seems to try harder to think first these days.

Now to me, I totally thought the Tusk Doc- Angel scene, was actually kinda cute. Stevie was singing a bunch of Ooooo's , and she asked Lindsey if it was a bit much, and he replied with " in a word yes", and she laughs.

[ragrsrocalot]

Originally Posted by rhiannondontgo

I loved the whole thing. I do agree that the best parts are the cute quirky candid Stevie moments. I just loved seeing Stevie not being the glamorous mystical witch we see on stage, or the serious mentor character we get in interviews. She was just cute and having fun. I loved seeing her drinking Starbucks and videotaping things and playing with her dog and just being herself, chilling in scrunchies and glasses and sneakers. It's a whole other side of her we don't usually get to see.

My favorite parts were:

• Her videotaping her dog in her bed and making that funny highpitched voice talking as Sulamith.
• Dave and her singing Natural Woman in bed was adorable too, and when he tries to kiss her and she yells "Get off of me!" and starts squealing. So cute.
• I died laughing when Dave throws the lemon and misses the knife and hits Karen in the chest.
• Stevie being weird with her video camera walking around the house whispering.
• Callais and Stevie hugging and her telling Stevie that she loved her. I think it's so sweet to see the cute little moments in Stevie's relationships.
• Stevie telling the men to put their money where their mouths were when she knows she's right over the solo.
• Stevie showing off Sulamith's new sweater
• Lori and Stevie playing their kazoos.
• How every time Stevie has the camera she's narrating and talking so much that it's annoying and just rambling about anything.
• Seeing all Stevie's artwork up close.
• Seeing her just have fun and let loose and do dumb things. Like switching the lights on and off and dancing with her dog and twirling batons and dancing around the house.

I agree with all of this 100%. I will just add the Tom Petty story was quite amusing to me, and I love how she reminds Dave about how many Martinis he has had.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Oh I think he was holding back in that scene coz they were being filmed.

I didn't think he was holding back back then. I think he was in Destiny Rules, but I don't think he was trying to come off politely to her in the Tusk documentary. In fact, the way she reacted and covered her face it was like she expected just what he said. It's not like she was going, "Gee, Lindsey is being especially kind to me."


It's just like when they were at the stadium and he yanked on the back of her dress and told her to sit down. I don't think he was worried about how he came off in those Tusk days.

I think "in a word, yes" is the kind of thing he would generally say to her. He says, Oh, who are you Miss Las Vegas? rather than saying things like, "You look stupid."

As far as the songwriting, I don't think he changes her stuff because he thinks it's awful. I think he changes it because he considers it barebones, a skeletal thing, just like his own demos. Clearly, people think he overproduces sometimes, but I think he thinks a demo is something to be worked up. And I think Stevie thinks that too. The only thing that has changed is that she no longer thinks that Lindsey translates her outlines as well as he once did (Soldier's Angel being the exception).

So, no I don't think the fact that he changes her stuff is saying that he didn't think it was good enough. I think he changes it because when someone gives you a foundation, you're supposed to build on it. It's like she told him his SYW songs were cloissonne boxes and hers were unpolished. He told her not to worry. He would polish hers up. Well, he did, she expected him to change them, but she didn't like the finish he gave them.

As far as his not praising her goes, yes it obviously did bother her a lot. With TISL, when he praised it she said that maybe finally Lindsey was just a little bit proud of her. So, she definitely didn't think he gave her enough approval in the past. And so now he's trying to lavish praise on everything, these days.

I know the Charlie Rose comment you're talking about. He said she considered herself a poet even then and he was quick to criticize what she read to him and he smiled and said that hasn't changed. But I don't think by criticizing he goes around saying, "that's trash!" I mean Waddy said he said to Lindsey back when he was trying to get Lindsey to go on the road with him, how can you stand it? How can you bear to work on all this flower and the vine stuff of hers. And I think Lindsey saw something in it that Waddy, and later Christine, didn't see.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Phil

It still puzzles me that Lindsey didn't correct Stevie regarding a particular lyric from "Smile At You" ("I should have turned around and ran..."). Clearly she was using the wrong tense, but because it rhymed with "can", it was seemingly deemed suitable. Very strange.

That's the thing about Lindsey's comment to me. He's not Mister Word Stickler himself. He's got enough to keep him busy in his own lyrics. So, what's his deal?

He wasn't telling her what to do or being dictatorial at all. But he did know that she was going to get upset. He also knew that she wasn't going to change the lyrics at all in the end. So, I don't know why he even said it, other than to get a rise out of her. No normal person would react the way she did, but he knows she's not normal. He was trying to provoke her.

Same thing in the kitchen with John. I think he was trying to get John to say something about the cost of re-mixing or the prospect of taking John's bass parts out. I think he wanted to spice up the documentary by getting John to say something sarcastic to him. I mean, I think Lindsey likes to work people up sometimes and that he was doing that in the documentary.

Michele

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by michelej1

It seems to me that there are a lot of cable channels that would like this. Cher's mother just put out a country album and I watched a special that told how that came about a couple of weeks ago. I think that was on Lifetime. It was more of a BIO program, but we did get to hear the songs on the album. I think this would fit Lifetime's demographics.

Even OWN. OWN did a Celine Dion special, after she returned to work following the birth of her twins. Since they did a Master Class with Stevie, I don't understand why they wouldn't want to buy this.

Michele

Yes Mind as will forget MTV networks.which includes all of its channels including VH1.

All they care about is reality shows and other garbage.

Why they still call it MTV is beyond me.

PBS will be a good outlet.Its free to most viewers and the love this kind of stuff.

If it was the mid 1990's or the 80's MTV/VH1 would platy the crap out of it like they did with Behind the Music and Storytellers.

[Jondalar]

Has anyone else noticed that Stevie's movie is in the Top 40 on itunes.

[kak125]

i noticed that too! how exciting! i see that it is #42 right now.

[louielouie2000]

Just a reminder: name calling/insinuations/personal attacks/telling other members they should leave are not welcome here at the Ledge. Let's keep the debating to the music, folks.

[AmazonWarrior]

Rosie O'Donnell tweeted yesterday that she saw IYD on iTunes and it was amazing. Perhaps a word-of-mouth/Twitter buzz will promote sales. I always thought IYD should be put on Netflix. Surely once people saw the film, a lot of them would buy the music.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Same thing in the kitchen with John. I think he was trying to get John to say something about the cost of re-mixing or the prospect of taking John's bass parts out. I think he wanted to spice up the documentary by getting John to say something sarcastic to him. I mean, I think Lindsey likes to work people up sometimes and that he was doing that in the documentary.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on our Stevie/Lindsey interpretation.

I do pretty much agree re: the John scene.

Lindsey just has a caustic, condescending side that he clearly has tried to work on. But I think if pushed it's still there. THere was a glimpse of it in his exchange with Mick about the whole double album thing in the same doc. Mick was kinda going on and he said "the listener of listeners" which was grammatically kind of a mess but it was obvious what he was trying to say (the diehard fans) but Lindsey couldn't resist calling it out "The 'listener of listeners??" Mick just let it slide.

I wonder what the relationship with Kristen is like. I'd love to think she would call out his sh*t or give it right back to him, but who knows. I sometimes get the feeling they just give each other a lot of space.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Lindsey just has a caustic, condescending side that he clearly has tried to work on. But I think if pushed it's still there.

I wasn't debating with you whether Lindsey had a caustic, condescending side. I think most of the people in FM do.

My point is, I don't think that he goes around saying "that's ****" to Stevie. I don't really think that's his style. In fact, I think your example makes my point: he goes out of his way to say something more elaborate and roundabout like, "Aren't you Miss Las Vegas?"

Do people take offense as if he's said, "that's ****" yes they do. Do people like Mick mock him? Yes they do.

Michele

[SorcererJP]

Had to fix an us--based iTunes account an managed to download the documentary.

Yes people outside the us, it is no problem and very easy. Just get a us itunes gift card online ( google is your friend) and register a new itunes account in the us store. All you have to supply is a valid us adress. So, google for the adress of some hotel.

No problemo.

Anyway, just saw it and I'm stunned. This is fun and informative to watch. Stevie at her best and pure, natural habitat. Cool! I agree with her, that dream must never stop.

Have to watch it again forma more detailed review.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by kak125

i noticed that too! how exciting! i see that it is #42 right now.

I bet last night it was in the 20s or 30s.