Will Christine be on the EP?

[Aisling]

Originally Posted by Erin

I don't understand the mentality either. It's not like they're going to have a radio hit written by her that everyone would be expecting to hear on tour. If she's willing to do it, why not?

And even if there's a 1% chance of that occurring, I still fail to see how this would decimate a Fleetwood Mac tour. It would literally be one song. Mac fans don't show up just to hear one song.

Moreover, if she did write a hit, I think they could probably talk her round to doing a handful of strategically placed shows. I think they're underestimating the power of Chris having a positive recording experience with the band. The more comfortable she is, the more they'll likely get out of her.

Talk nice to her, Mick, talk nice. . .anything is possible.

[jbrownsjr]

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB.

Why on earth would he have a problem with that when he & Stevie do exactly the same thing? Hell, Lindsey essentially put fully finished & unchanged Gift Of Screws songs on Say You Will.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Why on earth would he have a problem with that when he & Stevie do exactly the same thing? Hell, Lindsey essentially put fully finished & unchanged Gift Of Screws songs on Say You Will.

It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[bethelblues]

I honestly think that members of Fleetwood Mac sometimes do not want to stand up to Lindsey for good reason: he becomes unbearable to deal with and he's very hard to argue against. Lindsey has a reputation of being difficult and for liking things a certain way: his way. While it is inarguable that everyone in the Mac has an ego, Lindsey was always the primary creative force and main producer in the band of their own material. I'm sure like we do when we have reached a certain point the band just wanted to go with the flow, as to avoid another almost-certain fight. I'm sure John has felt this way and didn't want to run into issues, hence why he often keeps his mouth shut. Stevie certainly has wanted to avoid fights and has done so by staying away from the band, spending much of her recent years on solo projects and tours where she has no issues. Of course, there is the one famous instance from the Destiny Rules documentary when she told Lindsey off regarding the lyrics to Thrown Down. But overall I don't think she spoke up as much as she wanted to, hence why it's been widely reported she was unhappy with the final result of Say You Will (and probably the fact that they went through with Lindsey's plan to do a double album, a la Tusk) and was miserable on the tour.

As much as the politics behind Fleetwood Mac seem to be very public, I think there is much that has gone on behind the scenes that rules into their decision-making, their setlists, why some members want to record and why others don't. And most importantly, why Christine had had enough and quit the band, which probably has much more background than we know and is never discussed as it might further fracture the band.

[Aisling]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

Whoa. Firstly, thanks for sharing. Secondly, what in the actual hell? LOL Did Ken say what Lindsey's problem with it was? Did it have something to do with the whole "if you're not going to tour, no way!" bit?

There's no question that I loved ITM, but I would have loved it a hundred times more if it had presented within the context of the band.

I'm so confused. And I think that Stevie HAS stood up to Lindsey on this point. She has stated how she feels about Christine not being there, she's said it in interviews with Lindsey in the room. Is this another instance where she's been outvoted, and hence, her growing frustration with the present band dynamic?

Or is it the case that back in 2003/4 she also didn't want Chris on the album for whatever reason?

At this point, I have more questions than answers!

And I agree that there are things that happened that we know nothing about. But whatever they are, they apparently were not good. Not good at all.

Did Ken drop any other little tidbits on this topic? (Or any other topic for that matter.)

[elle]

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.

just my 0.02, take it or keep running with the speculations, whatever makes you happy.

[StandbackStevie]

I will believe it when I see it. Lindsey said it's going to be released next week.At the Mohegan Sun Show last night.Will believe it when I see it.Unless this EP that is suppose to come out is probably a test to see if they should do a new album or not.who knows glad to see them back together and on the road awesome show last night every song was amazing.

[TrueFaith77]

Well the world missed out on a great double album.

[Aisling]

Originally Posted by elle

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.

just my 0.02, take it or keep running with the speculations, whatever makes you happy.

Perfectly lucid, thanks.

I've said what I've said on this topic, and I'm not going to defend or elaborate. If anyone offers new information, then of course, I will ask questions. Because yes, it makes me happy.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Aisling

Whoa. Firstly, thanks for sharing. Secondly, what in the actual hell? LOL Did Ken say what Lindsey's problem with it was? Did it have something to do with the whole "if you're not going to tour, no way!" bit?

There's no question that I loved ITM, but I would have loved it a hundred times more if it had presented within the context of the band.

I'm so confused. And I think that Stevie HAS stood up to Lindsey on this point. She has stated how she feels about Christine not being there, she's said it in interviews with Lindsey in the room. Is this another instance where she's been outvoted, and hence, her growing frustration with the present band dynamic?

Or is it the case that back in 2003/4 she also didn't want Chris on the album for whatever reason?

At this point, I have more questions than answers!

And I agree that there are things that happened that we know nothing about. But whatever they are, they apparently were not good. Not good at all.

Did Ken drop any other little tidbits on this topic? (Or any other topic for that matter.)

It was so quick because there were so many people waiting in line. But Ken seemed frustrated because he really wanted to take the tracks he produced with Christine and use them in FM context. I don't really have anymore than I posted.

I didn't know that Stevie stated things about Christine during duo interviews with LB. Would love to read those.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

I don't consider him a reliable source of info in any way anymore. He seems bitter, and, as you stated, often contrary. While I enjoyed parts of his book, I just don't trust his motives.

Originally Posted by elle

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.

Stevie has no problem standing up to Lindsey. That line of reasoning gets old. Yes, he IS the most influential, and dominant member of the band, but they're all big boys and girls and are perfectly capable, and often willing, to stand up to him. If they're not, then that's their problem.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

Stevie has no problem standing up to Lindsey. That line of reasoning gets old. Yes, he IS the most influential, and dominant member of the band, but they're all big boys and girls and are perfectly capable, and often willing, to stand up to him. If they're not, then that's their problem.

i don't think he is.

[Aisling]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It was so quick because there were so many people waiting in line. But Ken seemed frustrated because he really wanted to take the tracks he produced with Christine and use them in FM context. I don't really have anymore than I posted.

I didn't know that Stevie stated things about Christine during duo interviews with LB. Would love to read those.

The one I had particularly in mind was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7__Hr1OjsM

3:10 "I wish you would come back and save me." Although there's a bit more before that as well.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by elle

i don't think he is.

LOL. Well,I do