How much of The Dance was re recorded or "sweetened" in the studio?

secondhandchain · #1 04-01-2013, 10:22 PM

At 2:11 in this video you can clearly see Stevie step away from the mic (during he line..."whole thing gonna work out right") yet her vocal keeps going. Makes me wonder how much was done after in the studio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5BZzkWXcwc

ShangriLaTroubl · #2 04-01-2013, 10:26 PM

I always thought she stepped away during that part because of the high note...to me it sounds like her voice leaves the harmony when she steps away

secondhandchain · #3 04-01-2013, 10:33 PM

No you can clearly hear her still singing. I've also heard 2 Stevie harmonies (silver springs) on the dance stuff. Overdubbing galore!!!

UndoingTheLaces · #4 04-01-2013, 11:02 PM

Something else to consider. Often when shooting live concert footage they shoot more than one night, or they shoot some songs more than once. So it might just be the audio is from one night and that particular shot and the video is from another performance.

edit: now that I watch it her voice does leave when she walks away. She's doing a medium harmony, not the high one.

redtulip · #5 04-01-2013, 11:25 PM

Most live albums receive a bunch of doctoring before release. There aren't many true live albums.

secondhandchain · #6 04-01-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

Something else to consider. Often when shooting live concert footage they shoot more than one night, or they shoot some songs more than once. So it might just be the audio is from one night and that particular shot and the video is from another performance.

edit: now that I watch it her voice does leave when she walks away. She's doing a medium harmony, not the high one.

That could be true, you are right. I still think there is a lot of doctoring going on. If you listen to the Dance track you can hear a thousand Stevie's on some of the tracks. The harmonies on Silver Springs for example.

aleuzzi · #7 04-02-2013, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain

That could be true, you are right. I still think there is a lot of doctoring going on. If you listen to the Dance track you can hear a thousand Stevie's on some of the tracks. The harmonies on Silver Springs for example.

I don't hear more than one Stevie on that recording. I do hear Christine, Lindsey, and Stevie's girls.

Some doctoring might have gone on, particularly with little layers of instrumentation, but the vocals are pretty accurate in their gloriously imperfect ways.

aleuzzi · #8 04-02-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

Something else to consider. Often when shooting live concert footage they shoot more than one night, or they shoot some songs more than once. So it might just be the audio is from one night and that particular shot and the video is from another performance.

edit: now that I watch it her voice does leave when she walks away. She's doing a medium harmony, not the high one.

I totally agree.

michelej1 · #9 04-02-2013, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

Something else to consider. Often when shooting live concert footage they shoot more than one night, or they shoot some songs more than once. So it might just be the audio is from one night and that particular shot and the video is from another performance.

Yes, Stevie has talked abou the 2 nights for this one. And how she saved her SS performance until the end.

And ChiliD has talked about the two nights for the taping of the Mirage dvd and how they were all aloof one night and lovey dovey the other.

Michele

nicolasjz · #10 04-02-2013, 06:21 AM

Ken Caillat in Making Rumours said The Dance was completely reworked in the studio and didn't have much "live" to it. Then again, he sounded pretty bitter about not being picked to produce it...

PenguinHead · #11 04-02-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nicolasjz

Ken Caillat in Making Rumours said The Dance was completely reworked in the studio and didn't have much "live" to it. Then again, he sounded pretty bitter about not being picked to produce it...

I believe Ken. Fleetwood Mac rarely releases live performances without polishing them up in the studio. It's become a common practice, with artists using current technology to fix and refine the performances.

Even the Fleetwood Mac Live album, while far more raw and authentic than the Dance, had a lot of of studio work done on it. At the time of it's release, I recall Christine describing it as a "warts and all" album. But that's not entirely true.

The Live in Boston CD seems pretty straight forward, but it's likely that it had some studio sweetening.

The Live Rumours World Tour CD included in the recently released Deluxe Rumours box set is somewhat of a revelation. It appears to be an untouched document. Unfortunately. it's not a full show, but a measly 11 songs from three different shows. It reveals how powerful their live performances were -- no sweetening needed!

ShangriLaTroubl · #12 04-02-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain

That could be true, you are right. I still think there is a lot of doctoring going on. If you listen to the Dance track you can hear a thousand Stevie's on some of the tracks. The harmonies on Silver Springs for example.

Oh yeah, def some doctoring..However, it's not as obvious as Live in Boston. There are so many moments there when things don't match, mostly regarding video...different hair styles in the same song, shawl off the shoulder and then right back magically..etc lol

Nathan · #13 04-02-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

The Live Rumours World Tour CD included in the recently released Deluxe Rumours box set is somewhat of a revelation. It appears to be an untouched document. Unfortunately. it's not a full show, but a measly 11 songs from three different shows. It reveals how powerful their live performances were -- no sweetening needed!

Right. I also had not heard the Tusk riff used onstage before, on the Rumours tour. Effective, I thought.

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Couple touch-ups during Temporary One, in The Dance, if memory serves.

goldustsongbird · #14 04-02-2013, 12:38 PM

Take in the auto-tune on Everywhere: "My friends say I'm acting peculiarly"

Ulpian · #15 04-02-2013, 01:32 PM

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Take in the auto-tune on Everywhere: "My friends say I'm acting peculiarly"

Is that definitely auto-tune? Christine's voice sometimes sounds naturally 'metallic' I find.

I remember reading that The Dance was touched up a lot. If you look at the piano opening of Silver Springs the notes you hear are totally not the notes from the keys Christine is touching.