Stevie discusses Possible New

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

Stevie & FM are rare in their attitude towards albums. They are in fact, one of the only artists I've heard using low sales as an excuse to not make albums. It just shows that's it's an excuse and not a reason.

As much as a spoiled brat Lindsey is too, I've never heard him say something against recording new material with FM, and not at all about low sales as an argument not to record. He LOVES to record.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by mitzo

My opinion is that even though Lindsey drives her nuts, he is able to build miracles out of her material that other producers do not - he draws out strong vocal performances and capitalizes on the hooks and atmosphere of her poetry and melodies in ways others have not.

While I'm hugely enamored with most all of Stevie's FM songs, I'm of the mind that Lindsey hasn't done anything that special with her songs -- on a consistent basis -- since 'Rumours.' We have brilliant pieces like "Sara" and "Gypsy," but then we also have unimaginative production on songs like "Angel," "Straight Back," "That's Alright," and quite a few others. Great songs in their own right, but nothing that outstanding in their production.

I imagine that, if she herself felt Lindsey's production was still essential to bringing her songs to life, she'd put up with whatever tension and headaches come from working together.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

While I'm hugely enamored with most all of Stevie's FM songs, I'm of the mind that Lindsey hasn't done anything that special with her songs -- on a consistent basis -- since 'Rumours.' We have brilliant pieces like "Sara" and "Gypsy," but then we also have unimaginative production on songs like "Angel," "Straight Back," "That's Alright," and quite a few others. Great songs in their own right, but nothing that outstanding in their production.

I imagine that, if she herself felt Lindsey's production was still essential to bringing her songs to life, she'd put up with whatever tension and headaches come from working together.

I differ with you big time. Straight Back and Angel are not what I would call great. The arrangements are the most interesting thing about them. And the words... no. Anyone could of wrote those. I love That's Alright though. She is as good as the producer she works with, but even a great producer can't turn a pile of ****tt into gold. She got in her way.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I would doubt it, since it's in keeping with the type of things Stevie has said in the past. That's why I linked it to her former comments about the fans stealing music from her, because she has said similar things in the past, when there was no new music about to be released.

Oh, I don't doubt that she does want to know that there would be enough demand for Mac music to warrant the inherent stress of recording together. But I can also hear management saying, "Hey, don't tell the press that you're not very interested in recording with the band -- we have new songs to sell."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

I differ with you big time. Straight Back and Angel are not what I would call great. The arrangements are the most interesting thing about them. And the words... no. Anyone could of wrote those. I love That's Alright though. She is as good as the producer she works with, but even a great producer can't turn a pile of ****tt into gold. She got in her way.

We definitely have to agree to disagree on "Angel" and "Straight Back." They might not be the greatest things Stevie's ever written, but they're still purely Stevie in writing style. Now what really makes both tracks stand out are her vocals. The production on both is straightforward and no-frills.

I'm not bashing Lindsey -- I'm just saying that I don't feel he's the be-all and end-all of producers for Stevie's music. Mind you, I don't think everything she's done on her solo albums is gold, but I also don't think that Lindsey still holds the key to making her songs extra special.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

As much as a spoiled brat Lindsey is too, I've never heard him say something against recording new material with FM, and not at all about low sales as an argument not to record. He LOVES to record.

I should clarify - I mean Stevie specifically, and if she holds that much power, then Fleetwood Mac as a whole, by extension.

[redbird]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

Stevie & FM are rare in their attitude towards albums. They are in fact, one of the only artists I've heard using low sales as an excuse to not make albums. It just shows that's it's an excuse and not a reason.

Ahh, well at least in this case we could get a few songs without an album, is what I meant. If that's all it ever is in the future, I guess I'm okay with that. To me it's better than a forced effort that's not necessarily guaranteed to sound very great.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

As much as a spoiled brat Lindsey is too, I've never heard him say something against recording new material with FM, and not at all about low sales as an argument not to record. He LOVES to record.

Don't forget though, there was a long period of time when Lindsey was not recording (or at least not releasing). We are living in a new era--in the past 7 years Lindsey has be "recalled to life." I remember years of nothing except hibernation.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Oh, I don't doubt that she does want to know that there would be enough demand for Mac music to warrant the inherent stress of recording together. But I can also hear management saying, "Hey, don't tell the press that you're not very interested in recording with the band -- we have new songs to sell."

The way Lindsey talked about sneaking Mitchell up under her bustle didn't help to sell these records either. So, if management was going to tell them not to say anything that would let the fans know Stevie wasn't enthusiastic, I think that he wouldn't have been saying how reluctant she was either.

For her part, saying fans don't want new music isn't exactly the way to promote 3 new songs, if your management told you to put a positive spin on things.

Michele

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I should clarify - I mean Stevie specifically, and if she holds that much power, then Fleetwood Mac as a whole, by extension.

And That's where my criticism starts. Not because of her choices or being the artist that she wants to be, but that she's taken them "Hostage" by not recording with them while there's body of material that they want to put out. Well, let's first wait for what those Two aweful titles bring. Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy. And honestly, What's the chance of Without You being better than the original demo. OK the instrumentation may be better, but the singing can never have the same impact. Ever.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

And That's where my criticism starts. Not because of her choices or being the artist that she wants to be, but that she's taken them "Hostage" by not recording with them while there's body of material that they want to put out. Well, let's first wait for what those Two aweful titles bring. Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy. And honestly, What's the chance of Without You being better than the original demo. OK the instrumentation may be better, but the singing can never have the same impact. Ever.

Yes, I understand that that's where your comment about her being "disrespectful" originated: from the fact that she's making these less than savory comments about fan reception to new music, when her bandmates have new music.

The public may very well hate new music, but don't say that when you're just about to unload the stuff on them.

Michele

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Tango

Don't forget though, there was a long period of time when Lindsey was not recording (or at least not releasing). We are living in a new era--in the past 7 years Lindsey has be "recalled to life." I remember years of nothing except hibernation.

True. He's had a long period of time not recording that much, although, after OOTC he started recording GOS between 95 and 96. The dance came and then he shelved it for SYW. But we don't know what he's been recording though the years that he did not finish. It still is a man that Kills daily time in his bunker.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, I understand that that's where your comment about her being "disrespectful" originated: from the fact that she's making these less than savory comments about fan reception to new music, when her bandmates have new music.

The public may very well hate new music, but don't say that when you're just about to unload the stuff on them.

Michele

I'm glad that you see where my comments are coming from. I don't want to waste my time over here defending that reasonable criticism has nothing to do with Stevie bashing. Ridiculous.

[SteveMacD]

It feels like a loveless marriage where the sex died years ago, but they stay together for the sake of the children, even though everybody is miserable because nobody's really getting anything they want.

Not releasing music because people will only steal it anyways? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's cutting off the nose to spite the face. She'd rather not sell 1.5 million albums with Fleetwood Mac because they should be selling 3 million (numbers firmly pulled out of ass)? Instead of getting half of something, she'd rather have a whole of nothing? And, why is that only a concern related to Fleetwood Mac records?

Not liking Lindsey's production? Okay, who says she has to have him produce her songs? She could use her own producer, or even different producers for every song. Just have Mick, John, and Lindsey be her backing band. That seems like a pretty simple solution, and one other multi-vocalst bands have used (i.e. Crosby, Stills, & Nash).

I'm just tired of the excuses as to why we're not getting a new record.

[Etisl]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It feels like a loveless marriage where the sex died years ago, but they stay together for the sake of the children, even though everybody is miserable because nobody's really getting anything they want.

Not releasing music because people will only steal it anyways? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's cutting off the nose to spite the face. She'd rather not sell 1.5 million albums with Fleetwood Mac because they should be selling 3 million (numbers firmly pulled out of ass)? Instead of getting half of something, she'd rather have a whole of nothing? And, why is that only a concern related to Fleetwood Mac records?

Not liking Lindsey's production? Okay, who says she has to have him produce her songs? She could use her own producer, or even different producers for every song. Just have Mick, John, and Lindsey be her backing band. That seems like a pretty simple solution, and one other multi-vocalst bands have used (i.e. Crosby, Stills, & Nash).

I'm just tired of the excuses as to why we're not getting a new record.

I think you hit it right on the nail. As much as I love Lindsey, and love seeing the band live......he is just not producing her music the way he used to.... he takes her music to a very different place, and not always her style. The Say You Will demo songs of Stevie's sounded better...then the full album versions. I think his guitar playing is amazing on her songs though. But, they should work with a new producer and mixer. As much as Stevie won't admit it...........she wants a hit out there, she want's a new song out there with her voice on it....on the radio. Lindsey, I don't think really cares anymore......I think he enjoys having the freedom to put out whatever he wants.......

But......I ADORE my Stevie, and.....I would love for some of her songs to be played on the radio. In Your Dreams.......was amazing in my opinion. There were very radio friendly songs on there.