Stevie & Lindsey Intimacy

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Personally, I don't doubt that in the On The Red Carpet interview Lindsey grabbed Stevie's hand because he could tell Mick was about to talk to him. That makes sense to me to do in general, and I don't think that it necessarily means they had some kind of huddle before the interview where they strategically planned out the logistics of every answer and every interaction.

They didn't really have to plan out every answer, because they were answering the same questions they've been getting for 30 years now. So, there was nothing to plan on that score. However, I think "passion" and "chemistry" is the theme of the next tour as there has been a concerted effort to distinguish it from the last tour, so it's something that Mick, Stevie and Lindsey are actively promoting.

I wouldn't necessarily say that they are doing it for money. Money is a big draw for doing the tour in the first place, but now that that's locked in, I think they want this to be a good tour experience, just for personal reasons. Unleashed was better than SYW emotionally, but it was kind of boring, to Stevie at least. I think they are trying to go in with a new dynamic this time and their vaunted chemistry is a part of the dynamic they're trying to play up.


Michele

[CADreaming]

^Unleashed was boring. And, at least this much is true: their chemistry is not contrived. I don't even think chemistry can be contrived. You either have it or you don't.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

^Unleashed was boring. And, at least this much is true: their chemistry is not contrived. I don't even think chemistry can be contrived. You either have it or you don't.

I didn't find Unleashed boring --except for the fact that we had no new album and no new pictures. I mean, I didn't find the show itself boring as a concert experience.

As for chemistry, you can't contrive it, but you can try and I think you actually lose chemistry when you do that, which is why I thought the Tusk dance was stupid and actually hard to watch.

Michele

[CADreaming]

I guess. I didn't see any SYW shows. But this goes back to performances & building on something that once was a real / organic / genuine / spontaneous display that happened in a show once and it got audience reaction and they built on it. I'm sure they even look for those moments. After 40 years or thereabouts does it become old hat and look that way? Sure. It's inevitable. It doesn't mean it's not still there, under the surface of facade.

Stevie recently has done the same in her appearances with Grohl. Sundance was awesome, then she begins looking for ways to emulate that lightning in a bottle. You can't really do it.

[WildHearted]

The thing about chemistry is that it's also somewhat subjective.

Two people might feel chemistry between each other but it might not be visible to anyone else, or maybe only to some.

I can't tell you how many TV shows/movies I've watched where I've sat there completely bored and not believing it because the characters (or actors) had absolutely NO spark or chemistry to me, and yet there were other people who felt the exact opposite and raved on about the connection etc.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I guess. I didn't see any SYW shows. But this goes back to performances & building on something that once was a real / organic / genuine / spontaneous display that happened in a show once and it got audience reaction and they built on it.

Well, they didn't build up to the Tusk dance, it was done the first show out. It was a whole choreographed bit, which was meant to end with them putting down their weapons and embracing. It was extremely stupid. It actually got better over time, because they dropped some of the staged elements.

But I just cited that as an example of why I think you can try to create or present chemistry for display and fail miserably.

Michele

[britt0308]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Stevie recently has done the same in her appearances with Grohl. Sundance was awesome, then she begins looking for ways to emulate that lightning in a bottle. You can't really do it.

YES! I completely agree. I still find the first set of videos..with mistakes and *almost* or actually missing cues..to be the best. She hasn't matched the intensity of SDMHA since Sundance. I truly wish she would just let it happen..whatever that "it factor" may be. She's almost there, but I think there is still a fear of messing up in the back of her mind.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

The thing about chemistry is that it's also somewhat subjective.

Two people might feel chemistry between each other but it might not be visible to anyone else, or maybe only to some.

I can't tell you how many TV shows/movies I've watched where I've sat there completely bored and not believing it because the characters (or actors) had absolutely NO spark or chemistry to me, and yet there were other people who felt the exact opposite and raved on about the connection etc.

Yes, it's not something that's cut and dry. And on tv, there's this tendency to think if you put people together who both have charisma that they will have chemistry as a couple. It doesn't happen that way.

There is something that some people have together, where they share an entire dialogue without speaking and the other person makes you vulnerable or causes you to react in a way that reveals something inside you involuntarily and that's what chemistry is to me. Some people get softer and less guarded around another ("something in you brought out something in me") and it's not exactly a comfortable thing, because sometimes maybe you WANT the guard, the shield. So, being around the other person makes them feel more submissive or exposed or emotional than they want to be. It's very moving.

Michele

[Angel69]

Lets not forget that these two know each other since they were what 16? I recently reconnected with an ex from when I was around 19 (about 30 years ago)....and let me tell you....sparks are there, good and bad...even though we are both wth diff people. Even our phone converstaions have a special edge! There is no denying a history between two people, and if they come out of it as friends even better. You cant fake emotion....though one can fake the "Tusk dance" LOL

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Angel69

You cant fake emotion....though one can fake the "Tusk dance" LOL

This should be the 2013 tour slogan!

[SteveMacD]

I'm not going to question how much of it is real, but I do think a lot of it is embellished. A lot of it is for show, and I suspect there are some (Stevie and Mick) who enjoy that part of it more than others (Lindsey and the McVies), but they all have to do it on some level.

[drag00n]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I've said this before, but it amuses me how clumsy they look with each other,
Michele

Actually I have always thought their bits of awkwardness were just because they both wanted to lead.... I mean have there ever been 2 more competitive people. Still love to see them interact though....
d,

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by drag00n

Actually I have always thought their bits of awkwardness were just because they both wanted to lead.... I mean have there ever been 2 more competitive people. Still love to see them interact though....
d,

Indeed, they vie. I'm reminded of DR when they were arguing over what to play for the record executives. Stevie wanted to play her songs and LB was saying they should play the whole album. Stevie said the execs wouldn't sit for a whole album, etc. He said it's their job. It's always a battle.

When they are fumbling with each other physically, I think it's because there's a certain self-consciousness and Stevie gets flustered. It's like when he first came to AHI, I think Stevie was genuinely excited and she just didn't know what to do with herself. She didn't know whether to walk across the stage to meet him or let him come all the way over or what. It was cute to watch. I think her intro was going to be, "What can I say about Lindsey Buckingham." But she started off: "what can I say? Can I say it yet?" It was hysterical.

Maybe that's why they often rehearse interaction instead of letting things happen naturally, to avoid the fumbling -- which, to me, is more enchanting than the rote.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Maybe that's why they often rehearse interaction instead of letting things happen naturally, to avoid the fumbling -- which, to me, is more enchanting than the rote.

Michele

You may be onto something here. And, look what a beautiful moment that turned out to be.

Ugh. I just had a horrible thought. He'll take the honesty of their BN-ness and turn it into one of his rote speeches.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

You may be onto something here. And, look what a beautiful moment that turned out to be.

Ugh. I just had a horrible thought. He'll take the honesty of their BN-ness and turn it into one of his rote speeches.

Maybe he won't give it an intro, like it didn't have one on the solo tour. You know, before Rhiannon, during NGBA Stevie used to get dressed for Rhiannon on the stage itself. She would sing her NGBA parts and then move off to the side and someone would be taking off her top and putting on her black sleeves.

Maybe she could do something like that for Stephanie, where she might be on stage at the beginning and be part of the intro and they could use that song for Lindsey's dedication to whomever (Landslide being hers) and then she could recede to the side, while it's playing.

Michele