The Words Of Jonathan Todd - Page 10

seeknpeace · #**136** 07-31-2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
Seeknpeace, you ought to consider changing your handle.

YOu have no idea what you are talking about. So, I will let you slide. This is not about peace. This is about injustice. Total and complete injustice. You can turn a blind eye, and twiddle your thumbs over this if it makes you happy and I will not berate you for it, you do the same for me. I do care what has happened and is still happening. That does not change what my screen name is.

CarneVaca · #**137** 07-31-2003, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by seeknpeace
YOu have no idea what you are talking about. So, I will let you slide. This is not about peace. This is about injustice. Total and complete injustice. You can turn a blind eye, and twiddle your thumbs over this if it makes you happy and I will not berate you for it, you do the same for me. I do care what has happened and is still happening. That does not change what my screen name is.

Give me a break. This has been hashed, rehashed, triple-hashed, smoked and refried. If anyone familiar with what went on before still fell for this again, he/she can blame only him/herself.

Time to move on.

seeknpeace · #**138** 07-31-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
Give me a break. This has been hashed, rehashed, triple-hashed, smoked and refried. If anyone familiar with what went on before still fell for this again, he/she can blame only him/herself.

Time to move on.

Go ahead....no one is stopping you. Don't read the thread. WE are not moving on. Our moving on is taking care of business. You have NO idea what has been going on that is not public.

gldstwmn · #**139** 07-31-2003, 01:39 PM

NOW that the tour's North American leg is coming to an end the fan club is going to begin to address fairness and injustice?

Would any of you even consider sending them an email and letting them select your seat?

And Carne, as someone who always seems to champion the opressed or in this case maybe I should say suppressed, I'm really surprised at your attitude. Yes, shame on you.

CarneVaca · #**140** 07-31-2003, 01:44 PM

Oh, gee, I guess I was put in my place.

I am merely pointing out that if you fell for this a second time, you should blame only yourself.

BellaDonnaGypsy · #**141** 07-31-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by seeknpeace
You have NO idea what has been going on that is not public.

So when are you going to let the rest of us in on this? As much as I agree with your cause, I hate the 'I know something you don't know' attitude that quite a lot of people seem to have.

Laura.

WednesdaysChild · #**142** 07-31-2003, 02:37 PM

Thank you Laura!

gldstwmn · #**143** 07-31-2003, 02:48 PM

You can read all about the things that have happened if you read any of the fan club threads on this board including the sticky at the very top of this page. We are not the only people reading this board if you catch my drift and some people don't want to jeopordize their positions by saying too much. In fact, in some situations, they CAN'T say anything. Read between the lines.

dissention · #**144** 07-31-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
You can read all about the things that have happened if you read any of the fan club threads on this board including the sticky at the very top of this page. We are not the only people reading this board if you catch my drift and some people don't want to jeopordize their positions by saying too much. In fact, in some situations, they CAN'T say anything. Read between the lines.

Exactly! All good things come to those who wait. Just be patient and you'll find out all you need to know. I'm sure the great people who are putting so much work into this DO NOT want to jeopardize everything by advertising what is going on all across the internet.

BellaDonnaGypsy · #**145** 07-31-2003, 04:29 PM

Yeah, thanks... I read it all when it was first posted... I don't need to be patronized. Besides, there is nothing concrete to read between the lines. The point is, you're not doing yourselves, and the cause you're fighting for, any favours whatsoever by continuing to hint that something is going to happen soon, and then not having anything come of it. People will lose interest, and no one wants that to happen... I want to see Jonathan Todd land on his ass as much as most people round here, but you need to throw the casual observer a bone now and again in order to keep people supporting you. Otherwise the general consensus will move towards an opinion similar to that of Carne's.

Laura.

gldstwmn · #**146** 07-31-2003, 05:08 PM

My intent was not to patronize you. If it's swift resolution you want, don't look at me. I don't get to make those decisions. Your concerns would be well placed with the people that do make those decisions.
By the way, who are you to speak for the general consensus of this board?

seeknpeace · #**147** 07-31-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
So when are you going to let the rest of us in on this? As much as I agree with your cause, I hate the 'I know something you don't know' attitude that quite a lot of people seem to have.

Laura.

I truly understand what you are saying and it is not like that. I have known a lot of ppl in the community that hint to things and won't tell the rest, I have been guilty of that myself, but, this is not one of those things. This is legal and until we know which direction we are headed for sure, we can't show our hand and I made some promises to some important ppl.

The only reason that I mention it at all is for fear that all of you fans who have been loyal and supportative of this effort will not think it is in vain, that it is over and the quietness means we are not doing anything and then you get discouraged and here we go. There is a fine line that we are walking right now, but, it is also known to the same ppl who I have made promises that these promises are only good until we have exhausted what it is that we are trying to do now. Please be patient and please do give up or forget what happened and what actually is STILL happening. I am fighting for us all, not me.

seeknpeace · #**148** 07-31-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
Yeah, thanks... I read it all when it was first posted... I don't need to be patronized. Besides, there is nothing concrete to read between the lines. The point is, you're not doing yourselves, and the cause you're fighting for, any favours whatsoever by continuing to hint that something is going to happen soon, and then not having anything come of it. People will lose interest, and no one wants that to happen... I want to see Jonathan Todd land on his ass as much as most people round here, but you need to throw the casual observer a bone now and again in order to keep people supporting you. Otherwise the general consensus will move towards an opinion similar to that of Carne's.

Laura.

Ok, how about this..???? The fight is not stopped in any regard, just gone to another level. We were fighting on the street level at one point and now it is on more of a corporate one. I CAN"T divulge some things, I am so sorry. I want to, trust me. And, this board is read by JT and his ppl. I am sorry that you feel patronized, that is not what is happening at all. All that I ever have intended to do for you is to try to let you know to not give up, to keep the faith. All we need now is for us to start at each other, and wouldn't that just please the punch out of JT. Let's not, and try to understand. If you want to PM I am fine with that, but, even then, I am limited. Not always, but, I am for now. I have worked my literal ass off on this for months. Not just posting dissent and upset and lashing and ranting here, but, things that have taken most of my waking hours at times. Give us doing that some credit. It will all come to light, but, I had hoped before now. We may go to a different tactic soon and that will be wide open. Are you with me?

mmm stevie nick · #**149** 07-31-2003, 10:00 PM

Hidey Ho seeknpeace. I dont get a chance to post much, but I do want to take this time, and say "Thank You For Your Efforts." I do take time to check out a few boards daily. More of a quick sweep of the boards, and yes I do have one named Mick's Trashcan in my favorites. JT blows, and has to be the dumbest business man Ive ever seen! The mistake he made was thinking the fans were just a bunch of stupid kids, and snakes like him are too busy being greedy to cover their tracks. They also do their dirty deeds in patterns if you watch close. My profile of this creep is going pretty well on track. Im with you on this one, and very patient......... Upon taking my exit here, I want to say " JT's breath smells like dead people." LOL..........Mark

seeknpeace · #**150** 07-31-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by mmm stevie nick
Hidey Ho seeknpeace. I dont get a chance to post much, but I do want to take this time, and say "Thank You For Your Efforts." I do take time to check out a few boards daily. More of a quick sweep of the boards, and yes I do have one named Mick's Trashcan in my favorites. JT blows, and has to be the dumbest business man Ive ever seen! The mistake he made was thinking the fans were just a bunch of stupid kids, and snakes like him are too busy being greedy to cover their tracks. They also do their dirty deeds in patterns if you watch close. My profile of this creep is going pretty well on track. Im with you on this one, and very patient......... Upon taking my exit here, I want to say " JT's breath smells like dead people." LOL..........Mark

Thank you so much more than you will ever know. It gets hard sometimes not being able to share something that may be exciting news or to share with you guys when something you hoped for was dashed, cause I know that you care and would support us in it. There are good days of hope and bad days of frustration, but, they are not over and should we not prevail at this endeavor, we have a second plan. Thank you for your support. I just hope that the good guys win this time.

(love your avatar!)