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Old 03-07-2012, 03:42 PM
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This article is fascinating, really. Essentially, there is a radius of land around Fukushima that has been evacuated, as expected. it's not so much the radiation that si the problem, but the poisonous dust that rained down after the explosion.

With the polarized debate here in America regarding a renewal of nuclear power, it's important to keep the reality of these situations in mind. Yes, accidents are rare. No, accidents cannot be prevented - that's what they are called 'accidents'.

People want cheap power, but would you want this to happen in your community? Are you willing to suffer the potential consequences of having to abandon your home, your pets, your land, your livestock, your heirlooms, photos - your very past - potentially everything....if you're not willing to agree to that, then I feel it's irreprehensible to claim you are in support of increasing our nuclear power capacity.

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http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_new...frozen-in-time

One year after disaster at Fukushima nuclear plant, town remains frozen in time

By Richard Engel
NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent


It’s what an insurance company might call “a write-off” – a place that seems beyond salvation, and certainly too expensive to fix. I’d never thought of land that way. You smash up a car, and then it’s compacted into a square and maybe even recycled. Finito. But land?

Last year, Japan’s disaster at the Fukushima nuclear power plant contaminated the land around it so badly that the area was effectively a write-off. It’s been excised from terra cognita, uninhabitable, unwanted. Today the radiation-infected area is known by a name Ray Bradbury would like: “the exclusion zone.”

With radiation detectors clipped to our white hazmat suits, we drove into this decimated pocket of our planet.

Before we could get inside, a policeman stopped our car. There are checkpoints all around the exclusion zone, which extends in a twelve-mile radius around the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant.

The people who lived in the zone left in a hurry. They had no time to pack up their homes and businesses. Only recently, and with special permission, the Japanese government has allowed former residents to return to collect family heirlooms, important documents or equipment. The former residents are only permitted to stay for a few hours. It’s a grab-and-go operation.

We joined a man who was returning to his factory to pick up expensive cutting tools he needed to manufacture electronic components. Without the machines, he can’t run his business.

The man showed the police officer at the checkpoint his identification and permission. With a polite and decisive wave, the officer let us pass. We drove into the zone.

Suburban scenes
When I first imagined the exclusion zone, I pictured a desolate open-air microwave. I thought of burned trees, scorched earth, crumbed houses. Maybe it was the name that conjured up the image of a nuclear wasteland. I had movie-fed visions of the radiation leaving me glowing. Friends, only half in jest, offered suggestions as to how I could use tin foil to protect myself and potential progeny.

But the exclusion zone didn’t look like that at all. Instead, it was a suburbs-fringed town surrounded by cattle farms. There were neat three- and four-bedroom houses on half-acre plots. There were tricycles and big-wheels on the driveways. There were swing sets in the yards. The only thing missing was people. If space travelers arrived after an extinction-level event, this is what they might find. A traffic light on the main street blinking red cautioned drivers who weren’t there to slow down.

I walked down the center of the street. It’s an odd feeling to walk down the middle of a main street, down the dotted line. I walked into a large drug store. The door was open. It was an American-style drugstore that sold everything from candy bars to razors to toilet paper. The shelves were still stocked. There were half-filled baskets in the aisles. It was silent. No people. No cash registers. No background music. Nothing.

A sushi restaurant was next door. It was locked. The menu on the front window showed the lunch special, a combo of sushi and miso soup, that was offered on the day of the explosion.

I walked into a man’s home. I opened his fridge. It was full. The food was rotten.

There was a laundromat nearby. There were carts half full of clothing in front of the washing machines.

But suddenly we heard movement. Cows, which have broken out of their enclosures, have taken over the town. They seemed more wild and aggressive than usual. The cows were led by bulls. We had to hide behind a tree as the bulls raced past, cows charging behind them. They ran so quickly I saw a cow slip on the street and crash into storefront. She scampered to her feet and joined the feral herd.

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The town is Okuma. A year ago it had a population of around 10,000. It was a fairly wealthy community, not rich but comfortable middle-class. It had some of the best schools in the area. There was a popular softball league. A lot of people worked as engineers and technicians at the nearby nuclear plant.

The radiation levels are high in Okuma, but I learned that the real danger is the dust. Don’t touch your eyes in the exclusion zone. Don’t rub your mouth. Don’t pick your nose. And never, under any circumstances, eat anything at all.

When the Fukushima plant was destroyed, billions of microscopic particles of radioactive cesium were shot into the sky like a volcano belching ash. The cesium mixed with steam into what were effectively radioactive clouds. Then, it started to snow. The snow brought the cesium to the ground.

The cesium is still all around, even though you can’t see it. It’s on the trees, on the roads and on the houses. It’s on the cows, and it’s in the cows. It’s in the wood and the dirt and the worms. Every time it rains, the cesium moves around. It’s in the water too.

We were dressed in white oversuits. They don’t do much to protect against radiation per se -- they’re not made of lead like the blankets that cover you during x-rays – they’re more like waterproof slickers. They zip up to your chin and down to your shoes, all in an effort to keep off the dust particles. The tiny cesium particles are light enough that if you stir up dust as you walk, the cesium will swirl in the air. You don’t want to breathe it in.

Deadly particles
During our trips into the zone – we went three times – we used radiation detectors to test different areas. Radiation isn’t constant. It all depends on the particles. Where they collect, there’s more radiation.

Paved surfaces generally had low levels of radiation. The wind blows off the dust from the smooth pavement. Our detectors showed that the grass and bushes had much higher concentrations. The plants grab the dust. Gullies, depressions and gutters were even worse, since the cesium tended to collect there. The feral cow dung was bad, too. I thought of all the cesium in their stomachs and intestines and throats. Don’t step in the dung in the exclusion zone.

An exclusion zone, of course, is just a line. The radiation doesn’t stop at the checkpoint. Fukushima City is just 40 miles away. With a population of about 300,000, it was never evacuated. Cesium fell on Fukushima too. But instead of abandoning the city, the government is trying to clean it up. It is a monumental task.

It is like dusting every nook and crack in a city to remove an invisible powder. So how do you even try?

A lawn buried
First, the city will hose down your roof to wash off the particles. They use high-power hoses, like the ones window washers use to reach upper floors. Then, you or a city official cuts all the leaves off all the trees around your house. Then you dig up the top two inches in your lawn, removing the grass, pebbles, topsoil, shrubs, flowers and everything. Finally, depending on where you live, the city will either collect your radioactive lawn, or you have to dig a big hole in your yard and bury all the debris there.

The process does reduce radiation levels, but residents complain it doesn’t make the radiation go away. When it rains, the water seems to find nooks that were never washed out. Particles get blown in from other areas. Particles run down hills. They run through gutters. You might wash your house, but get particles from a neighbor upwind.

I kept thinking about how hard it is to keep the dust out of my apartment. I couldn’t imagine what that would be like if I worried the dust would kill me over time. This is the procedure for a single house. Fukushima is trying to clean an entire city.

A year has passed since the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl. The Japanese government hopes to reduce radiation in Fukushima to a level on par with other cities. But some activists say, in the meantime, all children should be evacuated from Fukushima. They’re even educating parents on how to leave. The government hopes to reclaim some parts of the exclusion zone that show low levels of radiation. Residents we spoke to thought that would be difficult, if not impossible. What’s certainly clear, however, is that Japan will be dealing with this for a long time to come. Japan is an organized, wealthy, industrial, disciplined country. It has bullet trains that always seem to run on time. Japan is struggling with a cleanup that may be impossible. Many other countries would probably fare even worse.

Editor's note: Richard Engel's full broadcast report, 'The Fallout,' airs Wednesday, March 7 at 10pm/9c on NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams.
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:49 PM
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An interesting and educational article, Matt.
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An interesting and educational article, Matt.
And written by the brilliant Richard Engel, no less!
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Thanks.I got the No nukes concert on 8 track somewhere.
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It's almost another year since then and nothing has changed. The article remains relevant. Hence the bumping of the thread whilst digging through the archive.
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and nuclear energy do NOT scare me at all - but then again I am a certified Radiographer (ASNT Level 2 - Also a former certified member of the NRC) and had worked with it many times in the past...Maybe that is why I glow at night
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...Maybe that is why I glow at night


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Nuclear power does not scare me.

The media made a mess with it with the scare tactics they pulled.

I have a electric plant about 25 miles from here and I'm in the perimeter of the evacuation map.

I do wish that people were not afraid of it and nuclear power will get rid of using fossil fuel to generate power.

If people were that scared with nuclear .They would of banned microwave ovens years ago do to safety.

BTW remember the Six Million Dollar Man. Steve's limbs were nuclear powered.
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Nuclear power does not scare me.

The media made a mess with it with the scare tactics they pulled.
I live 68 miles NE of an Air Force base that has a squad of Nuclear Bombers (C5 Galaxies) that can deploy an ICBM via air (Without use of a silo) so I know Altus AFB is a target if good ol' WWIII starts up (Oops, it has already started, silently at that...my bad) - add to it that I live within 100 miles of two other military facilities that are also targets, so I live in the 'triangle of doom' so to speak...


But hey, I find humor in it, if a good old nuke goes off someday soon nearby, I plan to place ALL of my CDR's on my porch to watch the fireworks display on a grander scale occur than the one I did in my microwave oven (Until it died from 'overuse due to entertainment purposes')


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m45LcLgziTk


Btw, William Shatner doing Shakespeare is the only thing in this world that (possibly) frightens me...
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I live 68 miles NE of an Air Force base that has a squad of Nuclear Bombers (C5 Galaxies) that can deploy an ICBM via air (Without use of a silo) so I know Altus AFB is a target if good ol' WWIII starts up (Oops, it has already started, silently at that...my bad) - add to it that I live within 100 miles of two other military facilities that are also targets, so I live in the 'triangle of doom' so to speak...


But hey, I find humor in it, if a good old nuke goes off someday soon nearby, I plan to place ALL of my CDR's on my porch to watch the fireworks display on a grander scale occur than the one I did in my microwave oven (Until it died from 'overuse due to entertainment purposes')


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m45LcLgziTk


Btw, William Shatner doing Shakespeare is the only thing in this world that (possibly) frightens me...
Yes there is always fear with military bases and factories that make military stuff .

Pratt Whitney is one of them witch the plant is in the next town over from here.

I've seen that done before on YT .The smell of the toxic fumes probably kill you.

I seen people on YT put a CFL light bulb in the microwave and watch it glow full brightness.


WARNING don't try this at home.



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Yes there is always fear with military bases and factories that make military stuff .

Pratt Whitney is one of them witch the plant is in the next town over from here.

I've seen that done before on YT .The smell of the toxic fumes probably kill you.

I seen people on YT put a CFL light bulb in the microwave and watch it glow full brightness.


WARNING don't try this at home.



I figured it was going to explode like a sh*t show!
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I figured it was going to explode like a sh*t show!
Me too.I would not cook food in that microwave after doing that stunt.
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Cool I'm glad...

or should I say my cat Two is happy the microwave in my kitchen is dead, because one evening I went into the kitchen to make some tea and heard some noise coming from the inside the microwave - which Two somehow had managed to climb inside of, with the door being closed and trapping him inside...I think he had to have made one of the other cats very mad to try and nuke him like popcorn, lol!!!
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or should I say my cat Two is happy the microwave in my kitchen is dead, because one evening I went into the kitchen to make some tea and heard some noise coming from the inside the microwave - which Two somehow had managed to climb inside of, with the door being closed and trapping him inside...I think he had to have made one of the other cats very mad to try and nuke him like popcorn, lol!!!
I've read many horror stories about idiots putting their pets in the microwave for some stupid sick reason.
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