I miss Sheryl C.!

peer_gynt10 · #1 12-11-2012, 08:23 PM

So I've just been watching the videos for 'If You Ever Did Believe' and 'Sorcerer' along with live performances of 'Gold Dust Woman', 'Strong Enough', and - the arguably awkward - 'Landslide' on Oprah and realized how much I miss the collaborations between Stevie and Sheryl. Personally, I really enjoyed Sheryl's production of the TISL tracks and, while I don't think it would have been a good idea for her to join FM, I appreciate the connection and the dynamics between her and Stevie when they are on stage together. Stevie really seems to enjoy the presence of another gal when performing. Moreover, while watching these clips, I was also reminded of how incredibly generous she is when it comes to sharing the spotlight. Someone who is not familiar with any of their work of them could easily mistake them for a duo when watching IYEDB or Sorcerer. Lesser stars would have relegated Sheryl to the background (like Destiny's Child did with what's-her-name in 'Bootylicious') or not include her at all. Love it! Love Stevie!

mike_nh · #2 12-11-2012, 09:59 PM

in my opinion sheryl was TOO involved in the production of tisl. it's really half of sheryl's style on that album. and if you have followed sheryl's carear she has worked or ''jock sniffed'' with every major artist out there. whenever there is any type of benifit you'll always find her on stage with everyone from the allman brothers to bob dylan to kid rock. if you look at the production of tisl and the production of iyd
eventhough dave stuart was the producer on it he did let stevie have the entire album as her own. sheryl really didn't. again, just my opinion.

PenguinHead · #3 12-11-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nh

in my opinion sheryl was TOO involved in the production of tisl. it's really half of sheryl's style on that album. and if you have followed sheryl's carear she has worked or ''jock sniffed'' with every major artist out there. whenever there is any type of benifit you'll always find her on stage with everyone from the allman brothers to bob dylan to kid rock. if you look at the production of tisl and the production of iyd
eventhough dave stuart was the producer on it he did let stevie have the entire album as her own. sheryl really didn't. again, just my opinion.

I'm a fan of Sheryl Crow and the work she did with Stevie. But you comments give me a whole other perspective on her involvement and influence. I just never thought too much about it. Sure thing, Sheryl is blatant opportunist, but I can't slight her for that. She has a career to maintain, so she's just taking care of business by getting exposure wherever she can.

Dave Stewart is not that different in that respect. Granted, he's cut from another cloth, as an everyman who's career is based on collaborating with others. Even with the best intentions for Stevie, he was surely aware that working so prominently with her that his career as a solo artist would likely benefit from it.

mike_nh · #4 12-12-2012, 12:14 AM

ok but dave does kinda stay in the background and let the artist he is working with shine. sheryl just whores herself out to every band and tv camera and benifit she can get near. in stevie's case if you remember back in 1999-2000 she had a pretty low point in her songwriting abilities so she went to tom petty and tom snapped her out of it. sheryl was around then. i'm sure she was using stevie's emotional lowpoint to furthur her own carear at that point.

BombaySapphire3 · #5 12-12-2012, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mike_nh

ok but dave does kinda stay in the background and let the artist he is working with shine. sheryl just whores herself out to every band and tv camera and benifit she can get near. in stevie's case if you remember back in 1999-2000 she had a pretty low point in her songwriting abilities so she went to tom petty and tom snapped her out of it. sheryl was around then. i'm sure she was using stevie's emotional lowpoint to furthur her own carear at that point.

Stevie's talk with Tom Petty was earlier.It was in 1995 right after the SA tour..by 1999 she felt considerably more confident particularly with the huge success of The Dance and her subsequent Enchanted tour.She did not begin the TISL sessions with Sheryl until 1999 so your timeframe and overly harsh assesment of Sheryl's motives is way off.

FierySequences · #6 12-13-2012, 10:27 PM

I'm not gonna argue the point one way or the other...but just had to say I Love TISL and I Like Sheryl. Glad Stevie released that album.

PolishStevieFan · #7 12-18-2012, 05:00 AM

I really like Sheryl Crow and appreaciate what she did for Stevie back in the time but I'm glad that Stevie went for new producer and soulmate on "In Your Dreams". New people always bring something new in and that's what Dave Stewart did. He changed formula and updated her sound. Besides, Crow's later albums are of a lesser kind and sound too generic for my taste. "Trouble In Shangri-La" was great album (to be honest it's my third favourite album from Stevie Nicks, right after "The Other Side of The Mirror" and "In Your Dreams") but I don't think that Sheryl Crow-produced follow up would be that successfull artistically.

Macfanforever · #8 12-18-2012, 12:13 PM

I always like Sheryl Crow.Probably because she has the country flair in her music.
I enjoy her music and also a fan of hers.

I love the TISL album.

Josh2003 · #9 12-19-2012, 02:43 AM

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ok but dave does kinda stay in the background and let the artist he is working with shine. sheryl just whores herself out to every band and tv camera and benifit she can get near. in stevie's case if you remember back in 1999-2000 she had a pretty low point in her songwriting abilities so she went to tom petty and tom snapped her out of it. sheryl was around then. i'm sure she was using stevie's emotional lowpoint to furthur her own carear at that point.

As much as I love what Dave did for/with Stevie on IYD, I have to disagree with your notion that Dave stayed in the background...look at all of the videos for the IYD songs (Secret Love, For What It's Worth, Moonlight, Cheaper Than Free), and Dave has plastered himself all over them. He's very much made his presence on her work known...and while I don't love Sheryl's work on TISL (to me, it sounds boring, too watered down, too "raw"), to say that Dave gave up the limelight (my words, not yours, of course) is a bit inaccurate. I think to him, IYD was just as much HIS project as it was Stevie's.

Macfanforever · #10 12-19-2012, 11:28 AM

I figure by now after 40 plus years experience in the studio Stevie and Waddy and the band probably produce on their own instead of hiring a outside producer and save money in the long run.

They will have the recording their way with no bickering with a producer .

I don't know.Is there rule in the biz that you have to have a legit record producer to record an artist or is it a union thing.

If Stevie put her mind to it.She can do it.

UndoingTheLaces · #11 12-19-2012, 05:56 PM

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I think to him, IYD was just as much HIS project as it was Stevie's.

I have to agree but in a good way. He was used to working with Annie back in the day letting her paint the emotional picture with her voice while he created a stunning landscape for her to inhabit. Compare Stevie's demos of Annabel Lee and Secret Love to the final product. He kept all the elements that made those demos shine and enhanced them rather than work against them. He could have taken them in a whole different direction but he wanted to stay true to her vision. I kind of look at it like a collaboration and one that works really well.

seekerj · #12 12-20-2012, 01:28 PM

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I have to agree but in a good way. He was used to working with Annie back in the day letting her paint the emotional picture with her voice while he created a stunning landscape for her to inhabit. Compare Stevie's demos of Annabel Lee and Secret Love to the final product. He kept all the elements that made those demos shine and enhanced them rather than work against them. He could have taken them in a whole different direction but he wanted to stay true to her vision. I kind of look at it like a collaboration and one that works really well.

This is why when IYD was released, I did not think it should be considered a Stevie solo album, that it was more like a band album, and I made some comment to the effect that they should have released this album as "The Traveling Daveberries" or something like that.

However, OT, the thing I find the most interesting is that, if, as Stevie said, this album was such a great collaboration between the two of them, then why did only one song that they cowrote make it to the tour setlist (Ghosts Are Gone). All the songs performed on the tour were not Dave's except for that one song.