Stevie on Kristen Stewart's Bad Press

[michelej1]

As for name checking, it made me think about the interview she just did with the DJ from Detroit. He asked her if she liked the city of Detroit and she said yes because Kid Rick was her adopted love child and she loved what he was doing for the Detroit community.

So she doesn't know much about the Motor City but she knows all about Kid Rock.

Michele

[Nathan]

^^^

I was wishing she wouldn't be spreading the love for conservative celebrities like Kid Rock, was my thought when she was going on about him.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Nathan

^^^

I was wishing she wouldn't be spreading the love for conservative celebrities like Kid Rock, was my thought when she was going on about him.

Well, Ted Nugent is from the area too, so at least she didn't start going on about him.

Michele

[seekerj]

Originally Posted by sushud82

Perhaps I have a more liberal view than most, but I fail to see how Stevie's statement could be taken with anything less than a grain of salt.

People seem to forget that so-called scandalous behavior has been going on longer than the past 10 years. Now we just have frothy-mouthed media camping out at celebrity doors eager to spread the news on the internet. Was it romantic that Spencer Tracy kept his mistress living in the guesthouse? How's it different? Because they were old? Or how about FDR dying with his mistress by his side rather than his wife? Were they contributing to the moral decline of our society? Or did they just have a better time at keeping secrets?

Sorry, OT, but it irritates me when people expect Stevie to be some sort of moral compass. She's a rock star that I believe has a good heart. Nobody's perfect. If she were, her lyrics would be much less interesting.

This just might be the most intelligent and insightful post I've ever read on this board. Thanks.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by sushud82

Perhaps I have a more liberal view than most, but I fail to see how Stevie's statement could be taken with anything less than a grain of salt.

People seem to forget that so-called scandalous behavior has been going on longer than the past 10 years. Now we just have frothy-mouthed media camping out at celebrity doors eager to spread the news on the internet. Was it romantic that Spencer Tracy kept his mistress living in the guesthouse? How's it different? Because they were old? Or how about FDR dying with his mistress by his side rather than his wife? Were they contributing to the moral decline of our society? Or did they just have a better time at keeping secrets?

Sorry, OT, but it irritates me when people expect Stevie to be some sort of moral compass. She's a rock star that I believe has a good heart. Nobody's perfect. If she were, her lyrics would be much less interesting.

Precisely. Stevie lived in a world mostly by her own design. Her life & lifestyle would be considered outside the mainstream. Stevie lead the life of a nomadic artist. By her own admission time and again she has stated she never wanted to be tied down to a relationship -- her art, her passions -- squarely came first. Especially after her 6-7 year run with Lindsey, most romantic relationships in her life would always be expected to take a backseat, she would forever more live in a world of romantic possibilities. And that's why she's always reflected back that Lindsey and her relationship was the closest thing she ever had to being married. I think most fans get it and are able to put Stevie's comment in perspective.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Precisely. Stevie lived in a world mostly by her own design. Her life & lifestyle would be considered outside the mainstream. Stevie lead the life of a nomadic artist. By her own admission time and again she has stated she never wanted to be tied down to a relationship -- her art, her passions -- squarely came first. Especially after her 6-7 year run with Lindsey, most romantic relationships in her life would always be expected to take a backseat, she would forever more live in a world of romantic possibilities. And that's why she's always reflected back that Lindsey and her relationship was the closest thing she ever had to being married. I think most fans get it and are able to put Stevie's comment in perspective.

Listen, I get all that so don't think that I do not. I just PERSONALLY believe that cheating especially with someone who is married is wrong. And I would like to believe. That "we've. All done it" is NOT the case. Apparently I am in the minority. I get everything else and did not say STEVIE should be boring or a "moral compass " I just do not think cheating should be defended or encouraged. Hopefully this clears up what I meant.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by Nathan

^^^

I was wishing she wouldn't be spreading the love for conservative celebrities like Kid Rock, was my thought when she was going on about him.

I really don't like this post. I"m not a conservative at all, but this type of thinking feels wrong.

[egg cream]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

I really don't like this post. I"m not a conservative at all, but this type of thinking feels wrong.

I don't care if she spreads the love for conservative celebrities, but I wish she wouldn't spread the love for misogynist dickbags.

[Dreamz19]

Originally Posted by elle

packing up, shacking up...

hmm, so maybe Lindsey didn't make that up just to make her angry. remember the BBC Don't Stop doc: how would she, nice prudish Stevie ever do anything like that?

I watched that about 2 weeks ago and when I heard that comment I had to I love Stevie, but she was being ridiclious with that comment.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

NO STEVIE. NO WE HAVE NOT ALL CHEATED ON OUR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS MARIED BUT THANKS FOR CONTRIBUTING FURTHER TO THE MORAL DECLINE OF SOCIETY.
...wow, I've been a fan for decades, but I'm truly discusted by this. Funny it was okay for lindsey Logan to be blown out of the water for being messed up and Stevie was never all "cut her a break we've all done it" (which just for the record not everyone has done hard drugs either Stevie)

I find Lindsay obnoxious these days, but I did think it was weird how Stevie seemed to be a little harder on her considering she should understand what drugs can do to a person and she has been more sympathetic to others. Not saying Stevie has to be a fan or love her, but it seems like she isn't too fond of Lohan. Maybe she was annoyed with the talk about Lindsay wanting to star as her in a movie. Then there is the fact that Lindsay completely destroyed Edge during the American Music Awards in 2005 Whatever it is, Stevie certainly isn't a fan.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Dreamz19

I find Lindsay obnoxious these days, but I did think it was weird how Stevie seemed to be a little harder on her considering she should understand what drugs can do to a person and she has been more sympathetic to others.

I wonder if Stevie feels that even with drugs, she was never as bad as Lindsay. Of course, we can't say, because although I'm sure that Stevie wasn't going around punching psychics in the face in her day, who knows what else she was doing.
Lindsey Buckingham will say that it's good the press wasn't bad then, putting you as much under a microscope as it does not, with TMZ sitting outside of your house and following you everywhere. I do wonder what it would have been like for FM if that were the case 30 years ago.

As it was, fans would go to concerts and if a performer was high at a concert fans would report it, maybe circulate the audio, but no one knows what the celebrities did in their private lives. If they got arrested and there was a police report (like John), then it would make it into the papers. But otherwise they could do what they wanted out of the spotlight.

There was no photographer there every time they stepped outside without their panties!

Michele

[KindOfWoman90]

Originally Posted by elle

packing up, shacking up...

hmm, so maybe Lindsey didn't make that up just to make her angry. remember the BBC Don't Stop doc: how would she, nice prudish Stevie ever do anything like that?

hm yeah, i mean, *sigh* i don't want to make judgments, but in all the interviews she did about Secret Love, she kept saying how it was written sometime around 75/76... that documentary kept popping into my head. it is what it is, it's their business. but yeah, i thought that too. so i guess which would you rather be true? lol - lindsey being spiteful or stevie "shacking up" i see neither option as too nice - and that is where i'll drop it

as for this whole twilight thing. how weird was that comment about her being "friends" with them lol goodness!

[Ghosty]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Listen, I get all that so don't think that I do not. I just PERSONALLY believe that cheating especially with someone who is married is wrong. And I would like to believe. That "we've. All done it" is NOT the case. Apparently I am in the minority. I get everything else and did not say STEVIE should be boring or a "moral compass " I just do not think cheating should be defended or encouraged. Hopefully this clears up what I meant.

I agree. I appreciate your posts too.
Cheating seems like such a strange thing to defend. It happens, but it always hurts someone, sometimes many someones, especially when the couple have children. It's a topic you would think people would want to keep their nose out of, not feel the need to add their two cents publically. What a weird thing for Stevie to make comments about.

Stevie can act like "it's all good" but look at the emotional state her love life has put her in throughout her life. She lived the rock n roll life and thought nothing of drinking, doing drugs, partying, and cheating, but she was miserable a lot of the time too. I never bought her act of still being such great friends with her ex's. Maybe now, because it's been so many years, but I think she tried to cling on to having the "friendship" back then to save face and try and make herself really believe it didn't hurt. She was not always the one doing the cheating, she was often cheated on by her lovers, including married men who then dropped her after they had fun with their little fantasy and then went back to their wives and kids. She'd have to be dead inside for none of that to never have hurt her. And she was not always the one doing the dumping, she was often the one being dumped. She can act like it's so magical, a fairy tale, and was all worth it, but she is the one maybe who shouldn't throw stones. Acting like cheating and affairs and dating married men is all good and fine, and doesn't hurt any0ne, and that everyone does it. Let her steal your husband away and see how much you are still thinking it's just dandy. I love her music and I love her as a celebrity, but I never have enjoyed hearing about all her love issues, from sleeping with married men to pregnancy issues, and so forth. It all just wreaks of saddness to me.

She is definitely that stereotypical rock and roll star. She gave the men a run for their money. And I love that very fun, amazingly musical, talented rock and roll star. But I don't have to like everything about her life and the way she chooses to live it. Affairs happen, fine, she can make that case, but to act like it isn't hard on a relationship is crazy. It never worked out well for her in the end. And to repeat the behavior even after being burned, that is not exactly decent. And for her to not once think about the woman she hurt, the wife. That's one hard soul. Not exactly Stevie-esque, is it? But yet, I guess it was. You could look at her in a lot of different ways, none of which are very pleasant, about a woman who could have any many she wanted, but often goes for the taken ones. Afraid of commitment? Or who likes the feeling of the challenge, the seduction, the feeling of winning when she steals the man away from his wife? Or narcissistic? Or having to prove she can truly have any man? Or maybe a poor self-image and having to make herself feel better? Or no, maybe just an ego boost? A high, a drug in itself? Whichever the reason, none are very happy or pleasant. Between her appreciation of taken men and the drugs, to me that seems more than just the life of a rock star. It seems like it is screams, "ISSUES!" to me. It made me feel bad for her years ago and wish she'd find some happiness. I figured by now, she has. But these comments seem like denial to me. She still only lets herself look at the little moment of fantasy and she blocks out the pain that also was a part of those affairs, the full reality. So once again I feel a bit sad for her. She had to face the truth about her addiction, and publically. She couldn't fairy-tale her way out of that one, although she has put the Stevie spin on it. But seems like there is still pain in her life that she does let long clouds of white cloud her memory.

But it's funny sounding to me, for her to be giving her opinion or advice to young celebrities about such a topic. "Ya, do your thing and then they can forgive you afterwards." What she fails to mention in her advice is that if it starts to hurt, they can turn to drugs. Numb yourself if it gets too intense, kiddies. It's all good.

I think it's sad.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by Ghosty

Stevie can act like "it's all good" but look at the emotional state her love life has put her in throughout her life. She lived the rock n roll life and thought nothing of drinking, doing drugs, partying, and cheating, but she was miserable a lot of the time too. I never bought her act of still being such great friends with her ex's. Maybe now, because it's been so many years, but I think she tried to cling on to having the "friendship" back then to save face and try and make herself really believe it didn't hurt. She was not always the one doing the cheating, she was often cheated on by her lovers, including married men who then dropped her after they had fun with their little fantasy and then went back to their wives and kids. She'd have to be dead inside for none of that to never have hurt her. And she was not always the one doing the dumping, she was often the one being dumped. She can act like it's so magical, a fairy tale, and was all worth it, but she is the one maybe who shouldn't throw stones. Acting like cheating and affairs and dating married men is all good and fine, and doesn't hurt any0ne, and that everyone does it. Let her steal your husband away and see how much you are still thinking it's just dandy. I love her music and I love her as a celebrity, but I never have enjoyed hearing about all her love issues, from sleeping with married men to pregnancy issues, and so forth. It all just wreaks of saddness to me.

Great post - and I agree.

When it comes to relationships, Stevie is the *last* person on Earth who should be dispensing advice. Her longest steady relationship was, what, 6-7 years at the earliest part of her adult life? Rife with drugs and affairs? And afterwards, has she managed to *really* be with anyone for a signifigant period of time, in a functional, stable, selfless, faithful partnership?

No.

I love the woman to death, really, I do - her music - her lyrics - her artistry has been one of the cornerstones of my life. I am who I am in large part because of the way her songs have helped shape me and helped shape my view of the world. But let's be honest - she knows nothing about true, selfless, sacrificing love other than what she's seen romanticized in movies or read in books. Stevie has never put anything first in her life other than Stevie.

Relationship-wise, Stevie is still a kid - a selfish teenager at worst and a spoiled princess with no real-world experience at best. Her perspective on what a faithful, loving, honest, selfless partnership means is about the same as mine was when I was 19.

[WildHearted]

It's no secret that Stevie's had her share of affairs and disastrous romances... but I really don't think it's fair to assume anything about her capacity for loving others and her relational maturity based on that alone. We don't know anything about her relationships, really, aside from the fact that none of them lasted in the long run.

Now, I tend to think Stevie still does have a very "girlish" mindset in terms of romance (but again, this is just my perception, and it could be false), and I personally find it very likely she was 'shackin' up' at times throughout her serious relationships (and she's talked about it before, hasn't she, about leaving Lindsey for a while to be with some other guy but then going back to him?), but I don't think that you can say that she was never selfless or sacrificial in her relationships. How on earth would we know.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

(and she's talked about it before, hasn't she, about leaving Lindsey for a while to be with some other guy but then going back to him?),

Yes, that's how she used to introduce Destiny.

Michele