Silver Springs: The worst decision in the history of pop? - Page 2

Bella Figura · #16 07-23-2003, 03:08 PM

yes, having Silver Springs on the Dance record along with the live MTV performance seems to have attracted an entire new fanbase for Stevie and FM. Lots of younger Ledge members themselves who credit the Dance and MTV for their introduction to our favorite band. The Silver Springs performance truly captured the magic and tragedy of Stevie and Lindsey's relationship more than GYOW did back in the 70's... sorry Carne

but you're on the Stevie board now!!!

Sarah · #17 07-23-2003, 03:54 PM

When the Dance came out, I wasn't aware of Silver Springs' story. I knew it had to be old because, obviously, she says it's a great old song.. but I didn't know it had been pulled. After hearing the story, I thought it was a really bad decision to pull it off Rumours.

Then I thought.. wait.. if it had been on Rumours, then it might not have brought The Dance the success it did. A lot of my friends are not particularly FM fans- they know nothing about the music except "Don't Stop" (blah) "Little Lies" and a couple of the other hits that they know but don't know are FM's; but because of Silver Springs' airplay on MTV and VH1, they know it, and a few of them bought the cd JUST for that song. (And later got an extra little gem with Landslide.)

So I guess, from that perspective it is a blessing in disguise, and, in all honesty, I think it's really cool that a song has a story like that. A beautiful song, completely done pulled off a multi-platinum record. A LOVE song on the B-Side of a F-You single, both written from one writer to the other. Later released "kinda" on the boxed set and forgotten. Then, things go full circle and that song helps push FM back into a spotlight. Sweet revenge for the song, in a way.

This is one of the songs I'm really close to. I love Silver Springs- old and new versions, I think it's up there with the absolute BEST of Fleetwood Mac.

(And about Oh Diane- I used to hate it, but now I find it tolerable. I used to have an intense dislike for the entire Mirage album, but I got over that. )

Sarah

WednesdaysChild · #18 07-23-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bella Figura
yes, having Silver Springs on the Dance record along with the live MTV performance seems to have attracted an entire new fanbase for Stevie and FM. Lots of younger Ledge members themselves who credit the Dance and MTV for their introduction to our favorite band. The Silver Springs performance truly captured the magic and tragedy of Stevie and Lindsey's relationship more than GYOW did back in the 70's... sorry Carne but you're on the Stevie board now!!!

Bella, I don't think I could have said that any better. That's the whole reason I discovered the Mac

gldstwmn · #19 07-23-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sarah
So I guess, from that perspective it is a blessing in disguise, and, in all honesty, I think it's really cool that a song has a story like that. A beautiful song, completely done pulled off a multi-platinum record. A LOVE song on the B-Side of a F-You single, both written from one writer to the other.
Sarah

Exactly. She captured the emotion so perfectly as only Stevie can . The part at the end where she says "Was I just a fool? Give me one more chance" is the regret that every person feels even if it's for just a second when they break off a serious love affair. The way she sings the "give me one more chance" line just nails it. Next time you watch The Dance, watch her sing that to him and check out the look on her face. It's like she's living in that moment when they broke up. There's no acting there. It's another one of the many cool things I love about Miss Stevie Nicks.

sarahw · #20 07-23-2003, 07:59 PM

I agree completely.....it shows just how much passion was/is involved with these two.....it does take you to where they were, and if there was something going on during the dance tour, (which I am convinced there was) then the drama of that song is twofold.

gldstwmn · #21 07-23-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by sarahw
I agree completely.....it shows just how much passion was/is involved with these two.....it does take you to where they were, and if there was something going on during the dance tour, (which I am convinced there was) then the drama of that song is twofold.

I used to think nothing happened but the more that I;ve read and the more that I've heard leads me to believe that it did. Even they have said some very telling things in their recent interviews. I guess it's true what Stevie said in the Timespace booklet when she was talking about I Can't Wait (although I think that song was not directed at LB). "Love is blind, it never works out..but you just have to have it..."

Survivor · #22 07-23-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
Next time you watch The Dance, watch her sing that to him and check out the look on her face. It's like she's living in that moment when they broke up. There's no acting there.

So true!! Everytime I watch it I catch myself yelling YOU GO GIRL!

WednesdaysChild · #23 07-24-2003, 08:31 AM

He looks really scared during that part, trying to hide behind his guitar...

Probably thinking to himself..."Sh*t...I f*cked up big time...she's gonna kill me..."

cliffdweller · #24 07-25-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
I, too, will never in my life forget the chills I had when I saw that. I was alone and thinking there is no way she will ever be able to do that vocal with her current voice. Boy was I wrong. And then she turned and barked - Sigh!!!!

That performance is what made me the huge F.M. fan I am today.

Anyway, it seems to me that Lindsey and Mick ganged up on Stevie, I mean, Lindsey wasn't about to edit or pull any of his songs so it was Stevie who had to suffer. If Silver Springs were to have made it on Rumours it would have been as dynamic and maybe even more popular than GYOW or Don't Stop (I'm REALLY betting on the latter) and I don't think Lindsey could handle that. His competitive nature wouldn't let him, and at the time of Rumours he was VERY much at odds with Stevie so I doubt that he cared very much about sparing her feelings. Yeah, Mick was the one who had to break it to Stevie but I'm sure the decision to cut SS was a Lindsey/Mick effort and probably more of a Lindsey effort due to the fact that he was so integral in the recording process.

Somajoseph · #25 07-25-2003, 05:34 PM

Silver Springs definitely should have been on Rumours. As Stevie said on the DVD of the making of Rumours,"It was one of the Rumours songs".
I agree with alot thats been said, Stevie's performance was true to life, and very passionate, and it all came across, so in that sense it was the best thing on "The Dance". On the other hand, it was obvious that much work had been done on that track-Linsey's production and guitar playing on that is amazing. I think the politics of the band were such that despite the fact that it was possibly the best song on there, it was pulled. Stevie said she never had much power in F Mac, and I dont think at the time they appreciated what she had obviously brought to the band. Stevie was the focal point in those years, and still is in a way, and I think Lindsey,being the producer really, pulled it.
But its out there now and its still as powerful to me as it was the first time I heard it back in 1981 when a friend gave me a tape of that song.

Crown · #26 07-25-2003, 06:12 PM

Silver Springs is my favorite Stevie song in the world, and I have to admit it would've really done well in Rumours (kind of a nice break between McVie's sentimentalism)...but it would've given it much more notoriety and I kind of like it not being another "Landslide".

Merf · #27 07-25-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Crown
Silver Springs is my favorite Stevie song in the world, and I have to admit it would've really done well in Rumours (kind of a nice break between McVie's sentimentalism)...but it would've given it much more notoriety and I kind of like it not being another "Landslide".

Crown, I totally agree. Now while I'm not hating on "Landslide" because it's a gorgeous song and quite sentimental as well, "Silver Springs" is far and away my fave of the two. Lyrically, musically, the emotions it stirs up in SN everytime she sings it, the mythology, and the fact that it is the reason that I am the huge Mac fan I am today. Period.

xx Meredith

PS. And my mom was born and raised in Silver Spring, Maryland. It's destiny!

GardenStateGirlie · #28 07-26-2003, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
I used to think nothing happened but the more that I;ve read and the more that I've heard leads me to believe that it did. Even they have said some very telling things in their recent interviews. I guess it's true what Stevie said in the Timespace booklet when she was talking about I Can't Wait (although I think that song was not directed at LB). "Love is blind, it never works out..but you just have to have it..."

It's difficult to not get it now especially with all of the things Stevie has alluded to. To me, TISL was the "Lindsey is really moving on, now I really need to get over him because he's going to have a family and I can't be the woman that steps in between that" album. Say You Will is the "damn, look at you now...I still can't get over you but you'll always be mine no matter what" album. A few of the songs that were on TISL were written on The Dance tour. Those that weren't or may have been written earlier in her life were obviously put on there for a reason because they all fit in with what may have happened. If you listen to the whole thing at once, it's like, telling you this amazing story.

Anyway, *cough* *cough *You know, I have to say..I think the Rumours version of Silver Springs is beautiful...however, it just doesn't pack the same punch as The Dance version. The way Stevie sings Silver Springs on the original version is rather meek and mild....kind of little girlish. I'm sure had she gotten the opportunity to perform it back then, it may have been more intense BUT, to see her drag that mic across the stage and start yelling like that....to hear the power in her voice as she basically asks for another chance in the song...how she kind of cocks her head and shakes it as her eyes start to bulge...woah....it's just so moving. So, I'm kind of glad It wasn't on that album because we may have not gotten the same intensity and performance out of Silver Springs in 98'...or would we??? It was just this amazing old song dug out of the archives just begging to be performed and i'm glad they did. It will remain, for me, one of her most powerful songs.

gldstwmn · #29 07-26-2003, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
It's difficult to not get it now especially with all of the things Stevie has alluded to. To me, TISL was the "Lindsey is really moving on, now I really need to get over him because he's going to have a family and I can't be the woman that steps in between that" album. Say You Will is the "damn, look at you now...I still can't get over you but you'll always be mine no matter what" album. A few of the songs that were on TISL were written on The Dance tour. Those that weren't or may have been written earlier in her life were obviously put on there for a reason because they all fit in with what may have happened. If you listen to the whole thing at once, it's like, telling you this amazing story.

I think you're right about that. When you think about some of the songs she chose to put on TISL (Sorcerer, Candlebright & POTU) it was as though a catharsis was going on. Especially telling I think are the new verses for Planets which just make that song even more of a masterpiece than the original piano demo. It ends the story, up to that point anyway.

WindingRoad · #30 07-26-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Anyway, *cough* *cough *You know, I have to say..I think the Rumours version of Silver Springs is beautiful...however, it just doesn't pack the same punch as The Dance version. The way Stevie sings Silver Springs on the original version is rather meek and mild....kind of little girlish. I'm sure had she gotten the opportunity to perform it back then, it may have been more intense BUT, to see her drag that mic across the stage and start yelling like that....to hear the power in her voice as she basically asks for another chance in the song...how she kind of cocks her head and shakes it as her eyes start to bulge...woah....it's just so moving. So, I'm kind of glad It wasn't on that album because we may have not gotten the same intensity and performance out of Silver Springs in 98'...or would we??? It was just this amazing old song dug out of the archives just begging to be performed and i'm glad they did. It will remain, for me, one of her most powerful songs.

I agree entirely!

I think the song is sung much better by Stevie the woman than by Stevie the girl. And I like the song better in Stevie's lower vocal range.

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