Lindsey and Mick cut 8 new tracks, would like at least an EP

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I don't understand the train of thought on singing over demos or so-called finished songs. Basically, that's all they ever do. Stevie brought in new "demos" to SYW, not necessarily new songs.

They don't just record over the demo though. They record new vocals of the song, new everything. They don't just swap in a couple of new tracks over what's already laid down there. It's fine if they have some old songs of Christine's that they want to produce. But taking some old recordings of Christine's and singing over them doesn't sound that good to me. It sounds like a travesty. If they want to lay something on some pre-existing tracks, why don't they dig Butter Cookie out of a vault and do it with that.

After reading Ken's book and the way a song evolves over many, many takes and they brain storm off of each other and come up with new ideas, I think even if Stevie and Lindsey were just adding harmonies, they need to add harmonies to a new Christine vocal. They might have ideas that might make her want to change the song in some way (i.e. Stevie throwing in her contribution to Oh Daddy) and make it better. Find a song of hers that they like and produce it from scratch, rather than Lindsey just saying, "Well, I'll take out Dan's guitar track and put in mine."

If she dies, then by all means record over her pre-existing tracks, to be an artificial trio once again. But as long as they're alive and can still play and sing, then play and sing.

Michele

[michelej1]

Of course, this makes me think that Lindsey did sing new vocals for his GOS songs that were placed on SYW and most people didn't think it was an improvement. They liked his old track best.

Doesn't really make me much difference, except for Miranda. I like the SYW version of that song. Love it.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Talk of Christine being dead is making me sad.

Bob Welch was enough for the next 20 years.

[CADreaming]

^^Oh, I wasn't referring to any new Christine music, specifically - just a general commentary on how they work.

I think Lindsey works a long time on the music and then Stevie gives her input and the others of course and what we get is what they are most pleased with. I am happy with their decision for whatever reasons and have to believe in it from the stand point of it being a "finished" work. It reminds of Lindsey in some recent interview being asked about fans having demos - he said something to the effect of "there's a reason they are still demos", meaning they just weren't meant for anyone to hear yet. Unfinished. I enjoy listening to demos but for what they are - rudimentary beginnings of a song.

So the SYW argument tires me. It was a completed Fleetwood Mac project. I loved it. I love the demos. But, I don't love the demos better than the completed project they presented to us.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Bob Welch was enough for the next 20 years.

Yeah, I just meant that felt like what we were discussing was a tribute gesture.

As for death, that's ok, but I hope I would never hear what I heard about Bob about any of the artists I enjoy. That was just devastating. I was a Sonny Bono fan and even Sonny skiing into a tree didn't feel like that. I hope none of them are in such emotional pain.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

So the SYW argument tires me. It was a completed Fleetwood Mac project. I loved it. I love the demos. But, I don't love the demos better than the completed project they presented to us.

Yes, I think demos are demos. I like to hear them, but usually I imagine their potential. I don't revel in the demo-ness.

As for SYW, at this point the critique that it just sounds like two solo albums smashed together is too easy to make and I think a lazy way to discuss whatever failings it has.

Michele

[Macfanforever]

Wow. thats great news to start.8 tunes EP could explode to 15 tunes for a complete album.Get Stevie's and Lindsey's song writing machine in gear and we will have a complete album.

[Etisl]

I just feel Stevie tends to back down when Lindsey is around.....she wants to push him out there to be the Fleetwood Mac .."Rock Star"...since the attention normally always goes to her.....I hate to say it, but it is almost like her just being nice to him. But, he does seem to have some control over her.

Remember that black button up simple top and skirt during the Say You Will tour....that was because Lindsey didn't want her to be so flashy and she said he asked her to tone it down...... Part of the same reason she asked fans to not bring gifts for her to FM shows........

During interviews, he speaks.......and she is normally very quite and just sits there. During her solo periods.........she is all laughter and very talkative, it's almost like two different Stevie's. I understand wanting to please the other band members....and all, but the "Flashy" Stevie....is what she gave the fans in the old days...and what we still love about her. Solo VS FM tours..........are two very different Stevie Nicks's.... Just my view....

It's like she almost does the Fleetwood Mac projects do make Lindsey happy. After Say You Will and Unleashed...she said what she always does...."I will never do it again!" And then she talks about how unhappy she was making the CD and how unhappy she was touring.......... Ask her about a solo tour.....and "it was magical", "It was the best year of my life", etc, etc, etc.


I Love Fleetwood Mac together....and I still feel if they got a really good producer and audio engineer....they could have an excellent album. Their songs on Say You Will were very good, but just didn't come together they way the could have. ThrownDown for example is a good song, had it been mixed properly .......it could have been a Great song.....

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by Etisl

It's like she almost does the Fleetwood Mac projects do make Lindsey happy.

This is the only thing I really disagree with you about. The reason she reconnects with Fleetwood Mac is because she's very aware all the men of the band rely on it for their livelihoods, and that they all have children to support, etc. She probably actually reunites with Fleetwood Mac in spite of Lindsey, not because!

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, I think demos are demos. I like to hear them I don't revel in the demo-ness.

In most cases, (not all) I have preferred Stevie's demos because I love hearing her play the piano and sing. With a finished track that same piano is too deep into the mix to stand out in its simplistic beauty.

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Of course, this makes me think that Lindsey did sing new vocals for his GOS songs that were placed on SYW and most people didn't think it was an improvement. They liked his old track best.Doesn't really make me much difference, except for Miranda. I like the SYW version of that song. Love it.

Michele

Eeeek! Twist of Fate was the casualty here. He should have left that song exactly as it was on the demo!

[AliceLover]

Worse comes to worse:

1. 2013 Fleetwood Mac hits tour aka 5 different songs from the Unleashed tour
2. 2014 continuation of In Yor Dreams Tour from Stevie (I really can't see her doing another album).
3. 2014 Lindsey solo album

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, I think demos are demos. I like to hear them, but usually I imagine their potential. I don't revel in the demo-ness.

As for SYW, at this point the critique that it just sounds like two solo albums smashed together is too easy to make and I think a lazy way to discuss whatever failings it has.

Michele

Exactly. They worked on that album for practically two years with Lindsey laying the ground work and then working on the other songs Stevie brought in. She was there for a year for crying out loud. If she didn't like the end result that's her bad.

Originally Posted by Etisl

I just feel Stevie tends to back down when Lindsey is around.....she wants to push him out there to be the Fleetwood Mac .."Rock Star"...since the attention normally always goes to her.....I hate to say it, but it is almost like her just being nice to him. But, he does seem to have some control over her.

Remember that black button up simple top and skirt during the Say You Will tour....that was because Lindsey didn't want her to be so flashy and she said he asked her to tone it down...... Part of the same reason she asked fans to not bring gifts for her to FM shows........

During interviews, he speaks.......and she is normally very quite and just sits there. During her solo periods.........she is all laughter and very talkative, it's almost like two different Stevie's. I understand wanting to please the other band members....and all, but the "Flashy" Stevie....is what she gave the fans in the old days...and what we still love about her. Solo VS FM tours..........are two very different Stevie Nicks's.... Just my view....

It's like she almost does the Fleetwood Mac projects do make Lindsey happy. After Say You Will and Unleashed...she said what she always does...."I will never do it again!" And then she talks about how unhappy she was making the CD and how unhappy she was touring.......... Ask her about a solo tour.....and "it was magical", "It was the best year of my life", etc, etc, etc.

She never said that after Unleashed. Stevie loves being in a band and she loves being in Fleetwood Mac despite what they call "band politics", the art of compromise. Lindsey has to compromise too, and Mick and John probably have to mostly just put up with whatever they decide to do. It goes with the territory as it does for anyone in a setting where you are working with other people. She's described touring with FM as being so much bigger than anything she does solo - the travel is much better (although she travels pretty nice anyway) and she loves it. But, she refers to Fleetwood Mac as "my band" and that's how she truly sees it. I think she's good. If she didn't enjoy it to some extent she just wouldn't do it.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Worse comes to worse:

1. 2013 Fleetwood Mac hits tour aka 5 different songs from the Unleashed tour
2. 2014 continuation of In Yor Dreams Tour from Stevie (I really can't see her doing another album).
3. 2014 Lindsey solo album

I'll be relieved. But John has to fill in bass on the 8 recordings, add three or four acoustic tracks and I'd be happy about a 2014 LB album.

[michelej1]

I don't think continuing with FM is Stevie's big charitable sacrifice to her colleagues and the world. She benefits as much as anyone. It is emotional and exhausting and when she has problems (voice or illness) they are more stressful than when she is solo. It is a bigger stage. More eyes are upon her and more people financially dependent on her band. But it is a bigger paycheck, more attention and she actually has to do less performing with FM than solo. It has always been that way. She can disappear from the stage for 15 or more minutes at a time while Lindsey (and at one time Christine) play on.

There is no FM without Stevie, but that does not mean she is there for altruistic reasons. Michele