LA show - Lindsey was fantastic, Stevie was not - Page 2

strandinthewind · #16 07-14-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
How silly. Anyone who saw Lindsey in the Cradle tour knows he is an amazing performer with or without Stevie. Also, if you look at the Mirage video, Lindsey tears it up in his spastic way. On the Dance tour he was more subdued, but he was just as outstanding with his playing. He doesn't need to have Stevie "let" him take the limelight.

As for how long the tour will last, there's no way they're going to keep this up another 18 months. This thing will get wrapped up by February, regardless of what they are saying now. Keep an eye on the economy.

I, too, think LB is fantastic whether SN is in the room or not.

When I have referred to SN taking the limelight in the past, I was talking about audience reaction in general. For example, I think the point is that SN, and LB for that matter, knows that if she danced and twirled during his solos, the light would be taken from him and put on her. Right or wrong, the vast makority of the audience loves to watch her. For example, at the three concerts I went to, whenever Stevie twirled and danced, the crowd went nuts and I meand nuts. They also went nuts for LB during the solos, but not quite like they did for SN. In fact some people sat down and/or left during them; that did not happen when La Nicks was "a twirlin"

Rather, the crowd usually lept to their feet if they were not already standing and cheered loudly. So, I think in that context, she does not want to upstage LB with her "antics" so to speak. Her seductive movements would not take away at all from his superb playing, they would just take the focus of the majority of the crowd from him and put it on her.

WednesdaysChild · #17 07-14-2003, 11:23 AM

I wonder if Lindsey having two small kids is helping with his energy levels. I know a lot of parents with small kids say they are tired a lot, but I've heard older parents say that having kids kept them from "getting old." I'm sure LeeLee and Will keep Lindsey on his toes, which can't hurt his stage performances. Of course, you know if Stevie had young kids, she'd be exhausted because it always seems like the mom does most of the work anyway, LOL

Jen77 · #18 07-14-2003, 12:47 PM

I just wanted to say that I agree with Marissa 100%....so her voice isn't what it was in the 70's...it's still just as beautiful but in a different way

I think that Stevie is doing the best that she can every night on this tour

...she would never want to disappoint any of her fans. I saw Fleetwood Mac twice on this tour so far and I was totally blown away by both Stevie and Lindsey. Stevie seems so much happier now than she did on the TISL tour...and I'm happy for her. I just believe that for years it's been all about Stevie, now she's letting Lindsey take the limelight for this tour...

Jennifer

dissention · #19 07-14-2003, 01:02 PM

It IS silly to say that Stevie is letting LB take the limelight. Absolute hogwash. She loves the audience attention, she's an attention hog. She always has been. Not that there is anything wrong with it, I LOVE it when she's out there. She's been doing since the early seventies. Let's face it, The Dance reunion was all about Stevie, not Lindsey or Chris. As a matter of fact, all the FM tours are about Stevie. She probably commands 75% of people in attendance. The only reason Stevie isn't so "out there" on this tour is because her health isn't too great because of the menopause.

I hate to say it, but Lindsey's solo are a test to peoples patience. Whoever said the crowd goes wild is right, the crowd does. But not half as much as when Stevie does her dancing. Every solo Lindsey does is essentially the same thing: Come, ISA, GYOW, he just goes nuts on the guitar for no aparrent reason. I know he wants to make it rock, but god, don't go so over-the-top, it makes ya look like a fool, Linds.

Instead of putting so much energy into these solos of his, I think Lindsey should put more effort into making each night more special by being spontaneous instead of repeating the same speeches and movements and gestures EVERY DAMN NIGHT!!! The same goes for the rest of the band: ditch the script.

Les · #20 07-14-2003, 01:36 PM

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Let's face it, The Dance reunion was all about Stevie, not Lindsey or Chris.

Let's face what? Different people are drawn to and like different things. If you are primarily a Stevie fan, then yeah, I guess the Dance was all about Stevie. If you're not, it wasn't. Same with this tour.

WednesdaysChild · #21 07-14-2003, 02:03 PM

I agree with the comment about Lindsey ditching the script, the movements, etc. I had read fan reviews about other SYW shows and I knew what he was going to say by the time he got to my show (Worcester, 2nd night). It was not a surprise at all to see them speaking to the audience (even Stevie doesn't change it up)...but maybe next time I won't read concert reviews, haha.

I love them, but they are human and need to be spontaneous!

dissention · #22 07-14-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Les
Let's face what? Different people are drawn to and like different things. If you are primarily a Stevie fan, then yeah, I guess the Dance was all about Stevie. If you're not, it wasn't. Same with this tour.

Let's face what???

Let's face the fact that the press could've cared less about Lindsey and Chris. By that time, Chris and Lindsey had faded into obscurity; no one but die-hard fans cared about them. Stevie, however, was still doing a few things, but after the flop that was SA (even though it performed ten times better than OOTC) and her weight gain, The Dance was all about seeing if she still had it. The general public viewed the reunion as a chance to see Stevie, not Lindsey or Chris. By 1997, most people probably wouldn't have known Lindsey Buckingham from Adam.

Let's face the fact that most FM fans are fans because of Stevie. It's reflected in album sales and the amount of press she gets compared to everyone else. When someone gets wind that Stevie was spotted at a restaurant, alarms go off. Someone sees "that guitar player from that band," they're surprised but not much else. Lindsey's albums were always flops and Chris' didn't go platinum. It isn't necessarcily how I feel, but there is no denying that the majority feels that way.

When I speak of the majority, I mean casual listeners. Not people on this board (which represent a fraction of a fraction of the Mac fans) or the die-hard fans that are all dressed in Stevie regalia at the concerts who love EVERYTHING about the band.

Do you honestly think that the general public viewed the reunion as a chance to finally see Lindsey or Chris? I think not.

WednesdaysChild · #23 07-14-2003, 03:28 PM

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Do you honestly think that the general public viewed the reunion as a chance to finally see Lindsey or Chris? I think not.

Maybe we need to ask the older fans about this...

As for me, I became a fan during the Dance, so I didn't have a "favorite" but did discover that the Stevie who sang Landslide, Dreams, etc also sang that "one" wing dove song and the lalalalalalala song (Stand Back). I was like, COOL! and then became a Stevie Nicks fan after becoming an FM fan. I also bought Chris's solo album and got a copy of OOTC from my uncle. When SYW came out and the tour started, I was excited to see them ALL together as a band, interacting...at that point I had only seen Stevie, never her with FM...although I missed seeing Christine a lot. That was a real bummer, even though I am a huge FM fan. I really liked seeing Lindsey (not just because he's hot!) and if FM toured without Stevie, I would go.

I am...a diehard fan.

chiliD · #24 07-14-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
Let's face what???

Let's face the fact that the press could've cared less about Lindsey and Chris. By that time, Chris and Lindsey had faded into obscurity; no one but die-hard fans cared about them. Stevie, however, was still doing a few things, but after the flop that was SA (even though it performed ten times better than OOTC) and her weight gain, The Dance was all about seeing if she still had it. The general public viewed the reunion as a chance to see Stevie, not Lindsey or Chris. By 1997, most people probably wouldn't have known Lindsey Buckingham from Adam.

Let's face the fact that most FM fans are fans because of Stevie. It's reflected in album sales and the amount of press she gets compared to everyone else. When someone gets wind that Stevie was spotted at a restaurant, alarms go off. Someone sees "that guitar player from that band," they're surprised but not much else. Lindsey's albums were always flops and Chris' didn't go platinum. It isn't necessarcily how I feel, but there is no denying that the majority feels that way.

When I speak of the majority, I mean casual listeners. Not people on this board (which represent a fraction of a fraction of the Mac fans) or the die-hard fans that are all dressed in Stevie regalia at the concerts who love EVERYTHING about the band.

Do you honestly think that the general public viewed the reunion as a chance to finally see Lindsey or Chris? I think not.

Let's face it that this is thick, slimy, bubbly, BS. You've got it backwards. MOST Fleetwood Mac fans are "FLEETWOOD MAC" fans first & foremost. The general public, I would think, viewed the reunion as a chance to see FLEETWOOD MAC with the 5 people who made up the Fleetwood Mac they knew....only "chiffon-heads" would go see Fleetwood Mac ONLY because Stevie was there. And, if there ever was a "fraction of a fraction" of a fan base, it is "chiffon-head" within Fleetwood Mac's fan base.

CarneVaca · #25 07-14-2003, 03:31 PM

Hmmm, I don't know about the comment that 75 percent of the fans went to see the band during the Dance tour for Stevie. There's much evidence that wasn't so. At the risk of being corrected, I am going to guess that the Dance sold some 4 or 5 million copies. If I remember correctly, Street Angel and Mirror were barely gold records. Sure, they sold more than Cradle, but they were by no means blockbusters.

Conclusion: It isn't that 75 percent of the fans go to Fleetwood Mac concerts for Stevie. We all know Stevie fans don't need to wait until FM goes on the road for them to see her. She's out there often enough, regardless of whether she can sing or not that particular year, regardless of how well she can move about the stage. The reason people went in droves to see the Mac in 1997 was because they wanted to see this band they had loved for song long. Some of them had seen that fiasco of a tour for Time and they felt cheated. So they wanted to see what they considered the real FM. It was by no means just about Stevie.

As I recall, Lindsey got amazing press back then. Yes, he had suffered from self-imposed obscurity, but he at least had not gone through the roller coaster of now the press loves me, now the press thinks I'm a clown that Stevie experienced. Rightly or wrongly, she got a lot of mean press and a lot of fans weren't buying her music. She should have taken some time off and regrouped.

Lindsey's obscurity had nothing to do with the press. The press loves Lindsey. He probably gets more magazine covers than Stevie. Hey, there's all those guitar magazines that are chomping at the bit to interview and photograph him. No, the press ain't Lindsey's problem. His problem is the public's tastes.

wondergirl9847 · #26 07-14-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
His problem is the public's tastes.

Yeah, they have none.

WednesdaysChild · #27 07-14-2003, 03:36 PM

I'll second that, Wondergirl

dissention · #28 07-14-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by chiliD
What a bunch of BS. Thick, slimy, bubbly, BS.

Care to elaborate on your opinion? I'm all for hearing other peoples views, but I also try to have respect for them when I hear them. More importantly, I try not to call them, as you so eloquently put it, bull****. I may not have the extensive knowledge that you like to parade around, but I express my opinions as I see them.

chiliD · #29 07-14-2003, 03:41 PM

Then STATE them as opinion and not as "fact". 'k?

Plus, I call 'em as I see 'em, too.

Johnny Stew · #30 07-14-2003, 03:55 PM

Uh-oh... are we arguing about Stevie vs. Lindsey again?

Les is right... whomever you went to the show to see, is probably who shined the most for you.
From die-hard fans, thru casual fans, thru critics and reporters.

If you went to see the band, you'll probably find yourself impressed with one or the other singer, or perhaps both.

Stevie has historically gotten the most press, etc., but then she's also been the one who's been most active.
This time around, Lindsey is getting a lot of press.

Either way, as long as the name "Fleetwood Mac" is mentioned, it's a positive thing for ALL of them.