The albums that dare not speak their names - Page 5

markolas · #61 12-17-2011, 10:34 AM

Like I said, I'm over Gold Dust Woman...and didn't she drop Landslide for the first couple of shows of this tour? I was sort of impressed with her for doing that. I'd rather she drop GDW than Sorcerer, to be honest. I'm glad I got to see her perform it in Dallas; I think that was the last show before she took it out of the set. I probably would've been a little upset if I hadn't gotten to hear it - GDW, not so much.

icinglover1995 · #62 12-17-2011, 11:14 AM

You guys really don't like Street Angel?? I love that album! Blue Denim, Greta, Street Angel, Destiny, Rose Garden, Just Like A Woman!!

markolas · #63 12-17-2011, 11:45 AM

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You guys really don't like Street Angel?? I love that album! Blue Denim, Greta, Street Angel, Destiny, Rose Garden, Just Like A Woman!!

It has a few decent songs on it, but the vast majority of Stevie fans think it sucks, as does Stevie herself. The songs you listed are among the decent ones (Greta and Rose Garden are okay, but not her best), but about half the album is pure garbage. There are a couple of Ledgies who really like it, though, so you're not the only one.

mikephxaz · #64 12-17-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by icinglover1995

You guys really don't like Street Angel?? I love that album! Blue Denim, Greta, Street Angel, Destiny, Rose Garden, Just Like A Woman!!

Im not a fan of Street Angel...Blue Denim, Greta and Love Will Change Your Mind are okay but Kick it, Docklands, Rose Garden, Love is like a river, Destiny and etc are painful

olive · #65 12-17-2011, 12:28 PM

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You guys really don't like Street Angel?? I love that album! Blue Denim, Greta, Street Angel, Destiny, Rose Garden, Just Like A Woman!!

I like god's garden I don't know why it was not on the american cd.

mezzoforte · #66 12-17-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by icinglover1995

You guys really don't like Street Angel?? I love that album! Blue Denim, Greta, Street Angel, Destiny, Rose Garden, Just Like A Woman!!

There are some major Street Angel defenders around here, in a way that I don't think there are for TOSOTM. But yeah, generally most people aren't huge fans of the album.

Personally, I adore "Blue Denim," "Greta," and "Kick it," and can enjoy "Love is Like a River" and "Docklands."I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of the album, though. Most of the mixes feel a little off to me. Even though the RAL demos of LILAR and "Greta" are low-quality, I'd think the mixes are better. The aggressive backup singing on LILAR is a pretty good example--that sort of ish runs all through Street Angel.

Just my opinion, as always.

mezzoforte · #67 12-17-2011, 12:32 PM

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Like I said, I'm over Gold Dust Woman...and didn't she drop Landslide for the first couple of shows of this tour? I was sort of impressed with her for doing that. I'd rather she drop GDW than Sorcerer, to be honest. I'm glad I got to see her perform it in Dallas; I think that was the last show before she took it out of the set. I probably would've been a little upset if I hadn't gotten to hear it - GDW, not so much.

She didn't do "Landslide" at the Wiltern or at Red Rocks; I'm pretty sure it was added in right after that.
I think that goes to show just how little she wants to sing that song these days. I mean, for her to cut her best known song, it must make her throw up in her mouth a little bit.

markolas · #68 12-17-2011, 12:56 PM

I went to the Dallas show, which I think was the 3rd show of the tour or something, and she'd put Landslide back in. When she started it, I was like "Eh," but I liked the keyboards (I'm sure it has a name) on it rather than the guitar. Did she ever do a released version of the song like that? I was thinking the original studio version had the keyboards on it, but it doesn't.

UndoingTheLaces · #69 12-17-2011, 01:05 PM

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I went to the Dallas show, which I think was the 3rd show of the tour or something, and she'd put Landslide back in. When she started it, I was like "Eh," but I liked the keyboards (I'm sure it has a name) on it rather than the guitar. Did she ever do a released version of the song like that? I was thinking the original studio version had the keyboards on it, but it doesn't.

Fleetwood Mac Live has the one with the keyboards. The one from the Tusk era, not Live in Boston. It's one of my favorite versions because it's not like any other one. Her voice is hoarse and she's very emotional. It's incredibly beautiful in a very non-standard way.

PenguinHead · #70 12-17-2011, 01:21 PM

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It has a few decent songs on it, but the vast majority of Stevie fans think it sucks, as does Stevie herself. The songs you listed are among the decent ones (Greta and Rose Garden are okay, but not her best), but about half the album is pure garbage. There are a couple of Ledgies who really like it, though, so you're not the only one.

I'm among the minority who will defend the battered and defenseless Street Angel!
Clearly, compared to some of her other albums, it's not her best work. But it's been demonized as an offending piece of trash.

It's Stevie's bastard child, but it has an off-beat charm to it--for the fact that it is flawed. Within those flaws, it still has all the unique elements of Stevie's essence. I enjoy listening to the entire album ( I have the version that has God's Garden and Inspiration). It has a strange, quirky aura to it, so I can fully appreciate it for what it is, and not castigate it for what it is not.

I like to equate Street Angel with People Like Us, the album the Mamas & Papas were contractually forced to make, four years after they broke up and wanted nothing to do with each other. It is generally considered to be their Street Angel, because the group members dismissed and derided it, as did many fans. But it still has a certain charm and quality to it, even though it can't compare to their prior work.

mezzoforte · #71 12-17-2011, 01:58 PM

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I'm among the minority who will defend the battered and defenseless Street Angel!
Clearly, compared to some of her other albums, it's not her best work. But it's been demonized as an offending piece of trash.

It's Stevie's bastard child, but it has an off-beat charm to it--for the fact that it is flawed. Within those flaws, it still has all the unique elements of Stevie's essence. I enjoy listening to the entire album ( I have the version that has God's Garden and Inspiration). It has a strange aura to it, so I can fully appreciate it for what it is, and not castigate it for what it is not.

I like to equate Street Angel with People Like Us, the album the Mamas & Papas were contractually forced to make, four years after they broke up and wanted nothing to do with each other. It is generally considered to be their Street Angel, because the group members dismissed and derided it, as did many fans. But it still has a certain charm and quality to it, even though it can't compare to their prior work.

Well, ****--I can't think of the last time I saw a People Like Us mention. And a (fairly) positive one!

Yup, it has its moments ("Pearl," most notably), and the Street Angel comparison is apt.

markolas · #72 12-17-2011, 02:09 PM

Street Angel is the only SN album with songs that I absolutely hate. I listen to it and think of it as a huge missed opportunity. It's probably the most "rock & roll" of any of her albums since Bella Donna. But the songs are just....ugh. And then there's the timing of the release, which couldn't have been worse. It sounds like it should've been released 2 or 3 years before it was.

PenguinHead · #73 12-17-2011, 02:24 PM

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Well, ****--I can't think of the last time I saw a People Like Us mention. And a (fairly) positive one!

Yup, it has its moments ("Pearl," most notably), and the Street Angel comparison is apt.

A fellow Mamas & Papas fan! I had faint hope that any Ledgie would understand the hell I was talking about!

(Yes, Pearl is a standout track!)

StevieNicksfann · #74 12-17-2011, 02:27 PM

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Street Angel is the only SN album with songs that I absolutely hate. I listen to it and think of it as a huge missed opportunity. It's probably the most "rock & roll" of any of her albums since Bella Donna. But the songs are just....ugh. And then there's the timing of the release, which couldn't have been worse. It sounds like it should've been released 2 or 3 years before it was.

I agree with this completely. And if it had to be released when it was, it was a mistake not to lead off with Listen To The Rain or Greta. In the midst of the grunge movement, Maybe Love was too weak for a "rocker" (although I think a great follow-up single) and Blue Denim although it is more rock, has one of the more monotone vocal deliveries she's submitted on tape.

drzubritsky · #75 12-17-2011, 04:53 PM

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I agree with this completely. And if it had to be released when it was, it was a mistake not to lead off with Listen To The Rain or Greta. In the midst of the grunge movement, Maybe Love was too weak for a "rocker" (although I think a great follow-up single) and Blue Denim although it is more rock, has one of the more monotone vocal deliveries she's submitted on tape.

The other problem with "Blue Denim" as a single was that the title itself sounded stale and old-fashioned in 1994. That's an unfair way to judge a song, to be sure, but I couldn't see a song from Stevie Nicks with that title having much commercial potential at that time. Sometimes it's all about perception when it comes to pop radio, although BD is one of the strongest cuts on SA (particularly in its radio remix form, which had more punch).

There weren't really any cuts with strong single potential on SA. While I like SA more than most folks, it was really out-of-step with the times in 1994. Ironically, female singer-songwriters who were clearly influenced by Stevie were quite at the time (e.g. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow, Natalie Merchant, Lisa Loeb, etc.). Perhaps with a different producer and some more contemporary arrangements, Stevie might have made a bigger commercial splash with SA.