The albums that dare not speak their names - Page 4

Dodfather · #46 12-16-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I dont see why any of us are stressung over her playing songs from RAL, OSOTM and Street Angel especially on her current tour.

But other then that, i dont get the "Why aren't her 3 mediocre middle albums represented in her IYD tour set list." Who cares.

Ummm.. calm down. We're not stressing. It's just a general discussion about what songs we'd like to hear sometime.

drzubritsky · #47 12-16-2011, 03:39 PM

I always thought that ROF would make a great concert opener...not her biggest hit but one that would be familiar to casual fans and a pleasant surprise for die-hard fans. It also has a great "Stevie" vibe that would perfectly set the stage for her show.

Of course, her setlist has always been a real curiosity. She has stated that she avoids new and/or unfamiliar songs because they don't get a very good reaction. Yet a good portion of her setlist has always been allocated to the same strange collection of non-hits and cover versions while avoiding some of her actual hits that would play well to both casual fans and die-hards.

I can understand why she wouldn't draw on album cuts from RAL, TOSOTM or SA these days, but how about the singles from those albums? I'm sure there would be a way to rework "I Can't Wait" that retains its rhythmic excitement while avoiding the complex production trickery that made it so hard to pull off live back in 1986. And it would be interesting to hear a dramatically recast "Talk To Me", maybe with a more acoustic-based arrangement. Something along these lines would generate excitement (and ticket sales) across all layers of her fan base.

For whatever reasons, these songs will likely never be performed live again.

THINKABOUTIT · #48 12-16-2011, 06:47 PM

I love the other side of the mirror!

markolas · #49 12-16-2011, 08:17 PM

Thanks for quoting Hawkeye's post, everyone, so I can be reminded of why I've had him on ignore for the past five years.

APerfectLie · #50 12-16-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I dont see why any of us are stressung over her playing songs from RAL, OSOTM and Street Angel especially on her current tour. Her priorities are playing songs from In Your Dreams which is 6 songs AFTER all the inevitable dropping of a few new songs. So she played 8 IYD songs. What do we want her to not play in order to play Rooms On fire or Whole Lotta Trouble or No Spoken Word. Shes doing Love Is instead of HAEWAFY. Stand Back and Edge can't be dropped. The only real variable in her set is Leather and Lace. Which is ironically a suprise song for this set despite being one of her biggest hits. I don't want it in the set and feel Rooms on fire would be the perfect pre-Edge song.

But other then that, i dont get the "Why aren't her 3 mediocre middle albums represented in her IYD tour set list." Who cares.

Well she didn't replace In Your Dreams or Sorcerer with anything when she dropped them. And this isn't contained simply to her current tour. For years she went out and did cover after cover but only ONE song from those three albums. Even on Soundstage, she did 4 songs that weren't hers, but none from RAL, TOSOTM, or SA. It isn't that any of us think she should revamp her whole setlist to accommodate for these albums, but it is striking how she clearly chooses to neglect these albums when creating her setlists.

PenguinHead · #51 12-16-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I'd like her to drop all the Fleetwood Mac material to make room for Rooms on Fire, Love Is Like A River, Street Angel, I Sing For The Things, etc.. I agree with your other comment, Stand Back and Edge cannot be dropped, but the FM material can and should be. Save it for a Mac tour so maybe we're excited to hear it again when they tour.

And who cares? The people posting in this thread, obviously!

Yes! Drop the Fleetwood Mac songs. She needed to rely on those songs when she began her solo career. But at certain point in her long, productive/successful solo career, you would think that she would only feature her Fleetwood Mac songs sparingly (especially since she could still perform them with Fleetwood Mac). By keeping them as staples in both her solo career and the band, she's worn them into the ground. They aren't as special anymore: they are overly expected: they are tedious; they are slightly boring now.

Most artists I know who were in famous bands and have solo careers don't depend so much on their band-era in their shows. A drastic example of that is one of my favorite singer/songwriters, Aimee Mann. She had a really big hit "Voices Carry" with her band Til' Tuesday. When she went solo. she has never performed any of the great songs from her band era - not even the song that made her famous! Only many years later did she perform Voices Carry on one tour - acoustically. Then it was gone again!

markolas · #52 12-16-2011, 10:44 PM

I don't mind the Fleetwood Mac songs in her solo set, although I could honestly do without Gold Dust Woman. And probably Landslide.

mikephxaz · #53 12-16-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drzubritsky

I always thought that ROF would make a great concert opener...not her biggest hit but one that would be familiar to casual fans and a pleasant surprise for die-hard fans. It also has a great "Stevie" vibe that would perfectly set the stage for her show.

Of course, her setlist has always been a real curiosity. She has stated that she avoids new and/or unfamiliar songs because they don't get a very good reaction. Yet a good portion of her setlist has always been allocated to the same strange collection of non-hits and cover versions while avoiding some of her actual hits that would play well to both casual fans and die-hards.

I can understand why she wouldn't draw on album cuts from RAL, TOSOTM or SA these days, but how about the singles from those albums? I'm sure there would be a way to rework "I Can't Wait" that retains its rhythmic excitement while avoiding the complex production trickery that made it so hard to pull off live back in 1986. And it would be interesting to hear a dramatically recast "Talk To Me", maybe with a more acoustic-based arrangement. Something along these lines would generate excitement (and ticket sales) across all layers of her fan base.

For whatever reasons, these songs will likely never be performed live again.

i agree with everything you said....when i bring my friends (that are not avid Stevie fans) to her concerts they always go expecting to hear Talk To Me....she needs to rework that song..the key boards were awful during the taped Red Rocks concert. Let Waddy rework it...I don't think that I Can't Wait will ever find its self back in the set....

PenguinHead · #54 12-17-2011, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephxaz

i agree with everything you said....when i bring my friends (that are not avid Stevie fans) to her concerts they always go expecting to hear Talk To Me....she needs to rework that song..the key boards were awful during the taped Red Rocks concert. Let Waddy rework it...I don't think that I Can't Wait will ever find its self back in the set....

Lindsey took his song Trouble and effectively recasted it with a slower, acoustic treatment. Talk to Me could be transformed in that manner. In fact, if I do say so myself, it's a f*cking brilliant idea... for what it's worth.

(and the la la las from early version of the song that were replaced with the sax solo can be reinstated)

APerfectLie · #55 12-17-2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by markolas

I don't mind the Fleetwood Mac songs in her solo set, although I could honestly do without Gold Dust Woman. And probably Landslide.

^This. I don't know how well her shows would do if she took out all the FM songs since most of the people who go there want to hear her hits. Sure they may know ROF, but more people would rather hear Dreams over ROF any day. That being said, she could drop most of the FM songs and leave one or two in there to keep the casuals happy.

johnnystorms · #56 12-17-2011, 02:41 AM

what FM songs are in the set list? dreams? rhiannon? gold dust woman? i don't think she could dump any of those! rhiannon is her "signature"; it encapsulates her persona!, dreams; only #1, gold dust woman is one of her best lyrics EVER! why dump those??? dump a cover and add an obscure solo! look at the incredible response beautiful child and storms got when they were brought back into FM set.

LilyRose · #57 12-17-2011, 02:47 AM

She could dump every FM song from her solo set except GDW. If she ever dumps GDW I will actually give birth to a cow.

cactusjack · #58 12-17-2011, 06:02 AM

I know a lot of casual fans who love Rooms On Fire - for some of them it was their introduction to Stevie Nicks. I've educated them about the other amazing things she's done, but I know they would have secretly liked to have had it performed live when I dragged them along to the tour that just finished here!

Artemis · #59 12-17-2011, 08:39 AM

Really, the only Fleetwood Mac songs Stevie needs to perform on her solo tours are Rhiannon and Dreams. Possibly Landslide too. Although, saying that... how many Fleetwood Mac songs does she actually do solo? I thought it was just those three + GDW... none of which I'd want to see dropped.

mezzoforte · #60 12-17-2011, 09:39 AM

Personally, I'd love to see her drop "Landslide" and replace it with "Rooms on Fire" or "Doing the Best That I Can" (which I'm convinced her modern voice would sound fantastic on). But I don't think the 10,000 non-Ledgie fans would love that. Hey, they paid for "Landslide"--I get it. I think La Nicks does too, and she feels more obligated to those fans than we sometimes realize.

Anyway, on this tour I don't think she could have trimmed a single song for a track from one of the forgotten three. I get complaining about it on other tours (and if she tours again with four covers I'll be right with you guys), but this was all about playing her absolute biggest hits, so she could get away with playing so many new songs. It worked for me!