"Love Changes" ~ First TISL Single??? - Page 2

Phil · #16 12-12-2011, 08:09 AM

From what I understand, only John Shanks had recorded "Everyday" and Stevie essentially replaced his voice with hers (apparently in one take) directly over the existing instrumentation which made it's way onto the album untouched. I recall her saying in an interview that she sensed the song meant a lot to him and so she was happy to bring the song to completion.

Christopher · #17 12-12-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I'd say Planets of the Universe reaching number one on the dance charts counts as a hit single.

Also, Secret Love charted:
US Billboard Adult Contemporary Singles - #20
US Billboard Triple A Singles - #25

I'd say that's a hit, too. Maybe not of the same caliber as many current artists, but a top 20 hit is still very respectable for her, given the ageism that is prevalent in radio today.

Planets Of The Universe definitely counts. Even though the dance/club charts is a niche audience, a #1 song/remix on a Billboard Chart is a #1 song!

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Maybe Stevie shouldn't really either since she hasn't had a hit one in over 22 years?

Also, don't forget that both Stevie's IYD 2 radio releases charted on the US Billboard AC charts. "For What It's Worth" also peaked at #25 on the US Billboard Adult Contemporary Singles chart.

Stevie's IYD singles performance on these AC charts are practically identical to her TISL charting radio releases on the same radio format. "Everyday" peaked at #17 & "Sorcerer" peaked at #21 on Billboards AC charts. "Say You Will" also peaked at #17 on the AC charts.

So in 10 years Stevie or FM have charted 6 x's on Billboards AC charts:
1 Top 25 song (For What It's Worth)
4 Top 20 songs (Everyday, Sorcerer, Say You Will & Secret Love)
1 Top 10 song (Peacekeeper)

In addition Stevie charted high on Billboards dance/club charts:
#1 Planets Of The Universe remix/single in 2001
#2 Stand Back remix single in 2007
#26 Dreams remix single in 2006, which also charted in 7 other countries, including peaking at #14 on UK's Top 20 pop song chart!

Not too shabby for a 50 something to sixty something female pop/rock recording artist. Who else is there of Stevie's contemporaries from her generation besides Cher, that have nabbed that many top 20 charting songs. I believe Stevie has even charted more songs than Cher in the last 10 years.

StevieNicksfann · #18 12-12-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

Planets Of The Universe definitely counts. Even though the dance/club charts is a niche audience, a #1 song/remix on a Billboard Chart is a #1 song!

Also, don't forget that both Stevie's IYD 2 radio releases charted on the US Billboard AC charts. "For What It's Worth" also peaked at #25 on the US Billboard Adult Contemporary Singles chart.

Stevie's IYD singles performance on these AC charts are practically identical to her TISL charting radio releases on the same radio format. "Everyday" peaked at #17 & "Sorcerer" peaked at #21 on Billboards AC charts. "Say You Will" also peaked at #17 on the AC charts.

So in 10 years Stevie or FM have charted 6 x's on Billboards AC charts:
1 Top 25 song (For What It's Worth)
4 Top 20 songs (Everyday, Sorcerer, Say You Will & Secret Love)
1 Top 10 song (Peacekeeper)

In addition Stevie charted high on Billboards dance/club charts:
#1 Planets Of The Universe remix/single in 2001
#2 Stand Back remix single in 2007
#26 Dreams remix single in 2006, which also charted in 7 other countries, including peaking at #14 on UK's Top 20 pop song chart!

Not too shabby for a 50 something to sixty something female pop/rock recording artist. Who else is there of Stevie's contemporaries from her generation besides Cher, that have nabbed that many top 20 charting songs. I believe Stevie has even charted more songs than Cher in the last 10 years.

I thought Dreams reached #2

KarmaContestant · #19 12-12-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

Not too shabby for a 50 something to sixty something female pop/rock recording artist. Who else is there of Stevie's contemporaries from her generation besides Cher, that have nabbed that many top 20 charting songs. I believe Stevie has even charted more songs than Cher in the last 10 years.

Nice! Thanks for compiling that information, Christopher.

Christopher · #20 12-12-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieNicksfann

I thought Dreams reached #2

I recall that as well, then I cross referenced Deep Dish on Wiki and it said 26? But that can't be right

. I remember it peaked at #3 0r #2 in 06'.

PolishStevieFan · #21 12-12-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

Not too shabby for a 50 something to sixty something female pop/rock recording artist. Who else is there of Stevie's contemporaries from her generation besides Cher, that have nabbed that many top 20 charting songs. I believe Stevie has even charted more songs than Cher in the last 10 years.

Definately Stevie beats out our poor and plastic Cher

(don't want to offend anyone, but I really dislike her music). I think, that Stevie is probably the only female rocker of her genereration that is still successful on the charts (where is Pat Benatar? I think her latest album "Go!" didn't enter Top 200, and Linda Ronstadt? "Adieu False Heart" briefly made Top 200, and what about Heart? They had their latest album for about 2 weeks in the charts and then disappeared, even with semi-successful tour). Considering Stevie's age she's even more successful than Tina Turner and her latest chart entries ("Twenty Four Seven" in 1999 which was supported by gigantic world tour). Maybe Carly Simon... but she records only lullabies or cover albums now...

UndoingTheLaces · #22 12-12-2011, 02:00 PM

I always loved Love Changes, but I never thought it sounded like a "hit song" to me. Stevie even said in the commentary for Talk To Me that she doesn't set out to write "hit songs" and that she's sometimes given them to do by the record label. I'm amazed that Fall From Grace wasn't used as a single. Sure they would have had to edit it down for radio play but it had hit single all over it. Plus, it was a really strong performance from Stevie. TISL also had a really radio friendly sound but it too would have needed to be trimmed for time and that would have ruined the whole narrative of the song.

Spoinny · #23 12-13-2011, 11:55 AM

too funny about Stevie saying she doesn't set out to make "hit" songs. I recall the moment in the Destiny Rules movie where she mentions "praying to the hit gods" (or something like that) when submitting "say you will"

WildHearted · #24 12-13-2011, 12:30 PM

"I pray to the commercial gods" lmao

pryderi · #25 12-13-2011, 06:35 PM

Back when TISL came out, I was carpooling. Of course, I had the cd playing and as soon as "Love Changes" came on a coworker (non fan) said, "now i like that!"

johnnystorms · #26 12-14-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pryderi

Back when TISL came out, I was carpooling. Of course, I had the cd playing and as soon as "Love Changes" came on a coworker (non fan) said, "now i like that!"

great vocal and the production really gives her voice "space"! not to mention, Stevie does bitter lyrics very well,

UndoingTheLaces · #27 12-14-2011, 01:11 AM

I always say that the Universe speaks to me through Stevie Nicks. Every time I have some sort of issue in my life, Stevie releases an album or I discover an unreleased track, or a changed lyric in a live recording that puts things into perspective for me.

When TISL came out I was just ending a really bad relationship. He was a total sociopath and knew just what to say to control me. I was moving out and setting out on my own and trying to make sense out of it all. The guy was really bad for me and damaged my self-esteem to the point that even though I knew I was doing the right thing, he made me feel like a horrible person for leaving. Every time I hear this song it gets me right down to the soul. "It wasn't that I didn't love you, I just couldn't make you see that as hard as I tried to make it all better, it was not better for me. The love that I gave you was all around you there was nothing left for me." That made me see that it was okay to leave and that I had a very good reason to. It was so empowering.

If I ever had a chance to thank Stevie for all the pieces of "advice" she's given me over the years I'd end up boring her to tears with all the stories. But somehow "thank you" wouldn't seem enough. But it is a life long dream of mine to be able to thank her someday. Oh well.

johnnystorms · #28 12-14-2011, 02:02 AM

was LC a Dallas Austin produced song originally?? it really feels a little RnB to me. (aside) i'd LOVE to hear his production of her. anyone ever heard it? also, i feel LC is a much more unique "organic" song, whereas Everyday just seems like Single by Committee (sp?)

mitzo · #29 12-14-2011, 07:01 AM

Yeah, The Dallas Austin recordings would be interesting to hear.

mikebise · #30 12-14-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnystorms

was LC a Dallas Austin produced song originally?? it really feels a little RnB to me. (aside) i'd LOVE to hear his production of her. anyone ever heard it? also, i feel LC is a much more unique "organic" song, whereas Everyday just seems like Single by Committee (sp?)

The demo is very close to the album version, so I think the RnB-ness comes from Stevie, not a producer. Stevie loves RnB.