Fleetwood Mac and their drug intake - Page 3

darklinensuit · #31 06-30-2003, 04:55 PM

I always assumed that Sharon was part of Stevie's intervention in the '80s. That combined with the fact she used to live with Stevie make me think that Stevie would try to help her if she were doing any drugs these days, and Stevie would probab;ly know if she really were.

- Jake

dissention · #32 06-30-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by bootylicous
OMG really? That's hillarious, but didn't Stevie go straight from the show to the "midnight plane" after each show?

Actually, she took a bus for the TISL tour.

bootylicous · #33 06-30-2003, 05:37 PM

No way, if you read Stevie's diary for the days around 9/11, she definitely had a private jet, but maybe she only got that when she got sick half way through the tour?

dissention · #34 06-30-2003, 06:09 PM

Maybe she took a jet out of New york, but she had a tour bus. She started using them back in the Street Angel days. I have an interview with her from '01 where she talks about being more economical and using a bus.

gldstwmn · #35 06-30-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by tommer
blaming drugs on everything that's bad is just making excuses.
abusing drugs is not a cause, it's an effect.
everyone knows drugs are dangerous and risky the same way we all know cars are dangerous and risky. it's simple. if you wanna drive- use your senses and wisdom to do it safely.

Respectfully, BULL****. That statement is a way for you to make it okay for YOU. It's not the same thing and you know it. You can't get addicted to a frigging CAR. Come on Tommer.

Mad4stevie · #36 06-30-2003, 08:25 PM

The point that this thread seems to be missing is the reason WHY they did all these drugs. PURE DYSFUNCTION!!!!

As Stevie has said numerous times, it is like having the greatest love affair of your life break apart and have to see that person every day, all day. Personally, I don't think I could have done what they did, even with all the drugs to numb the pain. At the source of all this addiction is the desire NOT TO FEEL. And some people are certainly more predisposed than others to becoming an addict. People deal with their feelings in different ways, and it is usually determined by the environment in which your were raised as a child.

I think there is a difference between being a social drinker/smoker and being addicted to the stuff (either psychologically or physically). The choice to drink or smoke comes down to how much you do it and to what excess. I might have a glass of red wine with dinner because I like red wine - but I don't need to have the whole bottle. Sure, there have been times when I have been trashed, but those times are few and far between because I just don't enjoy that feeling of being out of control.

Just my opinions . . . .

FiercestCalmSea · #37 06-30-2003, 08:38 PM

I just want to add my two cents here,about drugs and making excuses,etc. I agree that if abused,drugs are bad.However,it is the person's choice to decide how they use the drug.Prime example,my brother and I.He is almost 18,high school drop-out,never keeps a job,just moved out again cause he wants to party all the time...he does everything short of heroin as far as i know.I am almost 23,graduated HS,I am in college,i have at least one job at all times..have i tried drugs? Hell yes...do i like them? Totally.Do i do them all the time? No. My brother and i were raised the same way..we were exposed to the same things..we each made a choice on how we decided to deal with these things.So,really..i mean...i have to say that i think,from the get-go a person has control over their drug use...if they let it become a habit it consumes them,and it is then that they lose control.

tommer · #38 07-01-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
Respectfully, BULL****. That statement is a way for you to make it okay for YOU. It's not the same thing and you know it. You can't get addicted to a frigging CAR. Come on Tommer.

some drugs (such as marijuana, lsd, E...) are not more addicting than coca cola or coffee, and some (heroin, crack, pain killers...) are very addicting. the most important thing is to be informed about what you use or don't use.

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No, what's naive is you saying that someone can take drugs safely by using their "senses" and "wisdom." If you take drugs, you obviously don't have enough wisdom. The first time someone takes drugs, it could be their last and THAT is a fact. What's sensible about that? And if you think legalization is just around the corner, you're very sadly misinformed. That went over like a lead balloon, buddy.

apparently i DO have that wisdom, i've been doing drugs wisely for years and i don't have any dependency. when i wanna take times off (during exams times, when i go abroad ect...) i've absolutly no problem doing so.
about legalization, i'm afraid YOU are the one who's terribly misinformed, almost all western countries are now in the process of flexing their drugs laws. for example there are now only four EU nations - Finland, France, Greece and Sweden - that maintains criminal penalties for marijuana consumption. if you'd bother doing some reading on the subject, you'll easily find out that the most strict drug laws are the american ones, and in parallel so is the problem the country's facing with drugs abuse and addictions.
drugs addicts are not criminals, they are sick people, emotionally and physically, and should get help thru hospitals and not thru jails.

EricBliss12345 · #39 07-01-2003, 08:07 AM

Sorry for signing up here and causing a bunch of problems.

Shoulda never asked....

Just to add a couple things in defense of both of you. Doing drugs is NOT a smart thing to do. There is no smart way to do drugs, you are always taking a serious risk when you do them. You never know if you have an addictive personality or not until you start.

I smoked my first cigarette at age 13 and it was instantly a pack a day habit. I quit once at 17 for a month, and I've been doing so-so with it for almost a month now at 23, I smoked on my birthday and at a concert but have been OK not smoking in everyday situations like being at home or at work. 10 years (although nothing compared to some long time smokers) is a long time to be a drug addict if you ask me.

On the other hand, I have casually taken the synthetic-heroin painkiller oxicontin on a handful of occasions and although it's entertaining enough I don't like it enough to want to be on it every day. I never think about it and never crave it. I still do it occasionally but it's never a big event. Was it worth the risk even trying? Nope. A lot of people in my town are in rehab due to them. Then again, I've had issues with other things. Some of the things I've had issues with in the past, like ecstacy, I can now take on a VERY infrequent basis (once a year tops) and be totally cool with it.

It IS possible to use restraint with drug use. It doesn't make it any smarter to do so, but it is possible to be somewhat responsible with it. It's the same thing as alcohol (which is NO better because it's legal) and that isn't against the law. You take a gamble when you try any substance, sure, but would you never take a drink of alcohol because you were scared of becoming a serious alcoholic? No, that's rediculous. Millions of Americans drink casually, and millions of Americans use drugs casually with no problems too. If you end up having a problem, then you were unlucky. But it is very possible to use drugs to party and JUST to party.

cliffdweller · #40 07-01-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by dissention
There is also a big difference between tequila and drugs: one's illegal, one isn't. Stevie wouldn't necessarily know if someone was an addict and if she called the cops, which she should along with firing them, it would do that person good. No one should have to put up with someone around them doing drugs, even "party drugs."

I think it shows a lot about someones sense of responsibility and self-control if they allow themselves to take drugs, even once, ESPECIALLY nowadays with all the info out there on why you shouldn't take drugs.

I think this thread has taken an ugly turn and maybe we should get back on topic and at least talk about the Mac and their drug use, not the drug use of the members of this forum.

I tell ya, if someone around me even smoked a joint, I'd call the police.

What difference does that make? Legal, illegal, it doesn't matter, they're both drugs. And I might add that there are WAY more alcoholics in the world than cocaine addicts. As far as I'm concerned alcohol is more insidious than any "illegal" drugs and contributes to more deaths each year such as drunk driving, domestic violence, and health related illness like heart disease and liver problems. The ironic thing is that alcohol, being a more dangerous drug, is legal wherease pot, a milder drug with milder effects is illegal. Go figure...

Mad4stevie · #41 07-01-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by cliffdweller
What difference does that make? Legal, illegal, it doesn't matter, they're both drugs. And I might add that there are WAY more alcoholics in the world than cocaine addicts. As far as I'm concerned alcohol is more insidious than any "illegal" drugs and contributes to more deaths each year such as drunk driving, domestic violence, and health related illness like heart disease and liver problems. The ironic thing is that alcohol, being a more dangerous drug, is legal wherease pot, a milder drug with milder effects is illegal. Go figure...

This is true. It seems like a catch-22 situation, though. Keep pot illegal and you create a black market for the drug. Make it legal and you can regulate it. The same argument can be made for "victim-less" crimes, such as prostitution. To me, some legalization would make sense because you can cut out the black market and regulate things like the quality of the substance. It is intellectually inconsistent in my mind for alcohol to be legal and pot to be illegal.

dissention · #42 07-01-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by cliffdweller
What difference does that make? Legal, illegal, it doesn't matter, they're both drugs. And I might add that there are WAY more alcoholics in the world than cocaine addicts. As far as I'm concerned alcohol is more insidious than any "illegal" drugs and contributes to more deaths each year such as drunk driving, domestic violence, and health related illness like heart disease and liver problems. The ironic thing is that alcohol, being a more dangerous drug, is legal wherease pot, a milder drug with milder effects is illegal. Go figure...

Both are addicting. However, I believe that someone who chooses a beer or a shot of tequila over drugs is making a smart decision. When you have a drink, you will not die from physically drinking that drink. If you're drinking socially, there is no problem as long as you aren't falling over drunk. But when you put something up your nose or take ecstasy, you are putting your life in physical danger the very moment you take it and being irresponsible. I don't understand how ANYONE can say that they have "wisdom" and good "sense" because they are taking drugs sporadically; you're stupid if you take drugs, PERIOD.

I don't take drugs or alcohol because I'd like to lead a healthy life. I don't drink coffee or anything with caffeine, nor do I take over the counter medicines or smoke cigarettes. But when people publically shout "I TAKE DRUGS!" you better bet your ass I'm going to say how idiotic they are. If y'all don't agree, fine, continue to be stupid and take drugs. (last statement not directed toward cliffdweller! LOL)

tommer- When I was talking about legalization, I was referring to the US; I'd forgotten you're from Israel. But there is still no justification for doing drugs. Ask yourself why you need to stimulate yourself that way and think about it.

FiercestCalmSea · #43 07-01-2003, 07:36 PM

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But when people publically shout "I TAKE DRUGS!" you better bet your ass I'm going to say how idiotic they are.

The thing is..you are pretty much right,but the fact is,it just makes for alot if idiotic people in the world,including me i guess

Just file it under all the other idiotic things people do,like jumping out of planes,etc...it is the SAME thing..you are taking a risk,and just hoping you end up ok. Just for the record,i am not jumping up and telling people to do drugs,i am just stating that it is reality that alot of people do.I,for one,would rather get drunk over anything else now that i have tried other stuff once or twice..E rots holes in your brain supposadly,coke is always a toss up unless you know exactly where it is coming from,Weed..yea..if i wanna chill..at least when i drink i know my limit,i NEVER drive,and i can always anticipate that the worst case scenario is one hell of a headache in the morning.

gldstwmn · #44 07-01-2003, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by cliffdweller
And I might add that there are WAY more alcoholics in the world than cocaine addicts.

Yup. That's because it's cheaper and far more available. It kills way more people too.

FiercestCalmSea · #45 07-01-2003, 08:03 PM

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Yup. That's because it's cheaper and far more available. It kills way more people too.

Mhmm

I've lost count of the people just from my town(with a whopping population of 20,000) who have been killed as a result of drunk driving in the last couple of years..they all happend to be young people too...