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Old 11-24-2011, 08:45 AM
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Maureen is from New York, and in Late 1997, she somehow got connected with a guy who was working with Mick on a tentative Fleetwood Mac box set of rarities. This guy (I forget his name) IMed me a few times on AOL, too, but he was pretty wacky.

At first, he sold Maureen copies of the tapes Mick gave him to go through, since Mick preferred to sit around and drink (sorry, peeps!) and enjoy his life, now that he was mega-well off again after The Dance phenomenon. He was supposed to have whipped this project into shape before Christmas 1998, as a 30th Anniversary for Fleetwood Mac. Needless to say, he never got much work done on it.

But this guy just started giving Maureen tapes, as he ended up liking her, I guess. And Maureen shared tapes at first, but then began her CD-selling business circa 1998-2001. As her friend at that point, Maureen gave me copies of everything, but at some point she got very paranoid and cut me off.

However, the amount of Stevie and Fleetwood Mac rarites that we have today because of her, whether giving or trading, is staggering! Mick had copies of much of Stevie's unreleased solo work, and Maureen said Mick just gave this guy boxes of cassettes to go through, as he didn't even know what was on anything.

Off the top of my head, here is what is directly from Maureen, and I mean as well-known outtake versions or demos, which we did NOT have before 1998:

The Wild Heart outtakes:
One More Tomorrow
Violet And Blue - Alternate/Movie version
Nothing Ever Changes - Demo
If Anyone Falls - Outtake
Dial The Number - totally different

Mirage outtakes:
Gypsy - many outtakes and mixes
Straight Back
That's Alright
If You Were My Love - Maureen is the one who premiered this!
Smile At You - An alternate version and better "flaming!" sound
Many LB & CMcV outtakes/mixes (I don't know their stuff)

Rock A Little outtakes & demos:
Night Gallery
Rock A Little - 1981 session with Mick on drums
Rock A Bye Baby

Tango In The Night outtakes and demos:
Joan Of Arc
Juliet
When I See You Again
Seven Wonders
Special Kind Of Love - and all the other well-known Tango demos/outtakes

Behind The Mask outtakes:
No Questions Asked - 3 mixes
Affairs Of The Heart - 2 mixes with extra vox
Victim Of Love - BB outtake (or is that RV?)
In The Back Of My Mind - 2 totally different versions
Lots of BB & RV outtakes

China Doll - This was one of her biggies! NO ONE had ever heard this before Maureen!

Other stuff:
This Is My Cross To Bear
Beauty And The Beast - Tusk outtake
Lots of Tusk mixes
If You Were My Love - Piano demos (before the Masters!)
Fireflies - Outtake
Rumours Tour rehearsals
Mirage Tour Rehearsals
Rose Garden - Earliest known version

I'm forgetting TONS... Now, some would also be on the Master Reels a few years later in better sound, but much of Maureen's stuff only originates from those tapes (so far).

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Old 11-24-2011, 12:14 PM
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that the sooner Stevie gets all these wonderful demo's out there legally, the sooner WB can make their buck
I don't understand this. Does Warner's own her back catalog including unreleased demos?
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:35 PM
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Stevie probably records her demos on her own money and she can do with them as she will.

Fully recorded songs/outtakes were most likely paid by the record label (WB since WB also owns Atlantic), so WB most probably has a stake in those, unless Stevie and/or Fleetwood Mac paid them back for all that cost.

That's why I don't understand why record companies aren't freaking out at the immense amount of Stevie unreleased material right there~ up front on YouTube and other places. I assume Atlantic/WB paid quite a bit of money for the 1992 "Mirror, Mirror", and I'm sure Chris Lord-Alge doesn't come cheap. As producer, he would get royalties from that version of the song if it was ever officially released. So, that's money potentially out of WB's, Atlantic's, CL-A's and Stevie's pockets by that song circulating for free, which stems from it never being released in the first place.

But I have no real idea how it all works with the money.

Artistically, Stevie has said she wants to make a big deal out of the Rhiannon recordings. I assume that's why they have never been officially released. The record companies probably wanted mainstream releases, not more niche product (and I'm just guessing). But Stevie is talking about Rhiannon getting done in 2012, so we can hope!

And I would GLADLY spend money for official releases of all and every single song I've gotten in unofficial means!!!
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:56 PM
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It's time I finally came forward...I am Stevie, get a life!!!
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It's time I finally came forward...I am Stevie, get a life!!!
LOL, the slightly sad part about this is that I actually believed you for a second there
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I preferred dramatic backdrops of yesteryear like the one during Enchanted tour, over all these flashing videos artists use now. But in another sense I agree with you if you're going with screens today, at least use them to full potential at shows. And she could. It's like people have said, us fans need to manage Stevie
I loved the atomsphere on that tour. I wish she'd incorporate something like that along with the backdrop. Now that would be an awesome show.
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Old 11-24-2011, 11:41 PM
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If they don't want so many demos and outtakes posted, then they need to release a huge box set full of those. It's kind of hard to pay someone for something if they don't have it out for the general public to buy.
True, true, true!

Stevie should have a kind of contest or poll to see which demos the fans would most like to hear, whether she's happy with them or not. I mean, I LOVE Forest of the Black Roses, Blue Water, She Loves Him Still and Love You Enough just as they are. If the fans love them as they are in the demos she ought to put them out. They're already out. Oh, and a lovely package to go with them too.
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I loved the atomsphere on that tour. I wish she'd incorporate something like that along with the backdrop. Now that would be an awesome show.
The Enchanted Tour stage was amazingly beautiful.
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True, true, true!

Stevie should have a kind of contest or poll to see which demos the fans would most like to hear, whether she's happy with them or not. I mean, I LOVE Forest of the Black Roses, Blue Water, She Loves Him Still and Love You Enough just as they are. If the fans love them as they are in the demos she ought to put them out. They're already out. Oh, and a lovely package to go with them too.
The only problem with this, and it's a big one is: we have so many different sounding demos for every song so how would she/they know which version we are talking about?
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The only problem with this, and it's a big one is: we have so many different sounding demos for every song so how would she/they know which version we are talking about?
Link it to Youtube. Like it or not Stevie, it's there.
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Ah, ok. Thank you Mike for all the info and the tme you took on the post!
One of these days I need to go dig out my old desktop hard drives and see what I've got. I'm a professional procratinator...

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Maureen is from New York...
Off the top of my head, here is what is directly from Maureen, and I mean as well-known outtake versions or demos, which we did NOT have before 1998:

The Wild Heart outtakes:
One More Tomorrow
Violet And Blue - Alternate/Movie version
Nothing Ever Changes - Demo
If Anyone Falls - Outtake
Dial The Number - totally different

Mirage outtakes:
Gypsy - many outtakes and mixes
Straight Back
That's Alright
If You Were My Love - Maureen is the one who premiered this!
Smile At You - An alternate version and better "flaming!" sound
Many LB & CMcV outtakes/mixes (I don't know their stuff)

Rock A Little outtakes & demos:
Night Gallery
Rock A Little - 1981 session with Mick on drums
Rock A Bye Baby

Tango In The Night outtakes and demos:
Joan Of Arc
Juliet
When I See You Again
Seven Wonders
Special Kind Of Love - and all the other well-known Tango demos/outtakes

Behind The Mask outtakes:
No Questions Asked - 3 mixes
Affairs Of The Heart - 2 mixes with extra vox
Victim Of Love - BB outtake (or is that RV?)
In The Back Of My Mind - 2 totally different versions
Lots of BB & RV outtakes

China Doll - This was one of her biggies! NO ONE had ever heard this before Maureen!

Other stuff:
This Is My Cross To Bear
Beauty And The Beast - Tusk outtake
Lots of Tusk mixes
If You Were My Love - Piano demos (before the Masters!)
Fireflies - Outtake
Rumours Tour rehearsals
Mirage Tour Rehearsals
Rose Garden - Earliest known version

I'm forgetting TONS... Now, some would also be on the Master Reels a few years later in better sound, but much of Maureen's stuff only originates from those tapes (so far).
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I only wrote "WB" because that's who she's contracted to ultimately. I was just making an assumption that if she released something it would be through them or their companies. She could go indie I guess if she owns her catalog outright. I really have no idea. I just wish SOMEBODY... ANYBODY... would get the ball rolling on it.


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"Karen, make yourself known!" LOL
So, thanks for getting that Willie Gibson to pull out the BN & Waddy pics on facebook. But, if you could just get Lori to truck over to Phoenix when y'all get back and drag some more out of the vault that would be fabulous...

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Maureen is from New York, and in Late 1997, she somehow got connected with a guy who was working with Mick on a tentative Fleetwood Mac box set of rarities. This guy (I forget his name) IMed me a few times on AOL, too, but he was pretty wacky.

At first, he sold Maureen copies of the tapes Mick gave him to go through, since Mick preferred to sit around and drink (sorry, peeps!) and enjoy his life, now that he was mega-well off again after The Dance phenomenon. He was supposed to have whipped this project into shape before Christmas 1998, as a 30th Anniversary for Fleetwood Mac. Needless to say, he never got much work done on it.

But this guy just started giving Maureen tapes, as he ended up liking her, I guess. And Maureen shared tapes at first, but then began her CD-selling business circa 1998-2001. As her friend at that point, Maureen gave me copies of everything, but at some point she got very paranoid and cut me off.

However, the amount of Stevie and Fleetwood Mac rarites that we have today because of her, whether giving or trading, is staggering! Mick had copies of much of Stevie's unreleased solo work, and Maureen said Mick just gave this guy boxes of cassettes to go through, as he didn't even know what was on anything.

Off the top of my head, here is what is directly from Maureen, and I mean as well-known outtake versions or demos, which we did NOT have before 1998:

The Wild Heart outtakes:
One More Tomorrow
Violet And Blue - Alternate/Movie version
Nothing Ever Changes - Demo
If Anyone Falls - Outtake
Dial The Number - totally different

Mirage outtakes:
Gypsy - many outtakes and mixes
Straight Back
That's Alright
If You Were My Love - Maureen is the one who premiered this!
Smile At You - An alternate version and better "flaming!" sound
Many LB & CMcV outtakes/mixes (I don't know their stuff)

Rock A Little outtakes & demos:
Night Gallery
Rock A Little - 1981 session with Mick on drums
Rock A Bye Baby

Tango In The Night outtakes and demos:
Joan Of Arc
Juliet
When I See You Again
Seven Wonders
Special Kind Of Love - and all the other well-known Tango demos/outtakes

Behind The Mask outtakes:
No Questions Asked - 3 mixes
Affairs Of The Heart - 2 mixes with extra vox
Victim Of Love - BB outtake (or is that RV?)
In The Back Of My Mind - 2 totally different versions
Lots of BB & RV outtakes

China Doll - This was one of her biggies! NO ONE had ever heard this before Maureen!

Other stuff:
This Is My Cross To Bear
Beauty And The Beast - Tusk outtake
Lots of Tusk mixes
If You Were My Love - Piano demos (before the Masters!)
Fireflies - Outtake
Rumours Tour rehearsals
Mirage Tour Rehearsals
Rose Garden - Earliest known version

I'm forgetting TONS... Now, some would also be on the Master Reels a few years later in better sound, but much of Maureen's stuff only originates from those tapes (so far).
Would the name of "This Guy" be Frank? I know his last name although I will refrain from disclosing it at this point in time! I know or rather used to know him and at the time he shared with me the details of the box set of rarities, and a book which included a complete discography that he was helping Mick with at the time!
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That would be him, I think. I was remembering either "Frank" or "George". I think it's Frank, though. He IMed me a few times on AOL in 1999, and Maureen thought I was trying to bypass her and get songs from him, so she just disowned me as a friend.

Do you still have the discography list?
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