30 years later: who killed Natalie Wood?

[markolas]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Another thing that bothers me are the bruises on her body. How did she get those?

I imagine she and Wagner were engaged in some fisticuffs. I don't think he necessarily pushed her, and I really doubt it was a calculated murder, but I do think Wagner (and probably Walken and the boat captain) knew she fell into the water and did nothing. Maybe she got into the dinghy to leave and fell, and Wagner left her there to "teach her a lesson," as has been suggested; then, when she disappeared, he panicked and held off on calling for help b/c he thought/hoped she would turn up okay and he didn't want there to be a big scene.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by Nico

Flawless and amazing actress to be named after. Gorgeous name.



Joan is my girl. She's like 90 something now and stunning for her age. Love her as an actress. More than her sister (oh snap!)

WH...ugh, I love it! There are things that never get old for me. Classic films are one of the tops.

Oh absolutely! Joan knocks spots off old Olivia every time!

Going back to Natalie - anyone remember her in "Meteor" with Sean Connery? I think it was very late 70's, she was still a stunner in that too!

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Another thing that bothers me are the bruises on her body. How did she get those?

HI

Do we have an actual autopsy report? I am wondering. I know it has been said there were injuries, I just wonder the extent, location, etc.

They were tied to a boat mooring at the harbor. It is my understanding that the waters were incredibly choppy that night. Catalina is rough with jagged lava walls in some areas along the outer banks of the island (not the beachy avalon part, folks). There is the possibility the bruising, etc was caused by the fall, if hitting a part of the boat in doing so, as well the ebb flow against the rough rocks.

I am totally disturbed by the screaming. paraphrasing...after the cries for help subsided we went to sleep terribly disturbed. If indeed the words those people heard were help me, im drowning...obviously she was overboard, on verge of drowning and crying out to be saved. Horrific. If indeed they heard a grovely voice state 'hold on were coming' (or whatever), they were close enough to rocknroll a way to save her. PATHETIC. I hope they dont sleep a wink EVER. Judgy? You bet your asss.

If it was Robert making that statement of 'holdonwerecoming', he was IMO drunk off his ass and couldnt have saved himself from the toilet bowl. Likely all in slo-mo, and sloppy and the biggest mistake of his life.

[Nico]

Is there a way to know the difference of whether bruises are caused by a fall or by being attacked physically? Please don't laugh at me for asking if it's something obvious. I honestly know nothing about the matters of...body investigating and all that. I just wonder if there was a way to know- and yes I think the screaming is VERY disturbing.

[BTFLCHLD]

body found 200yds off blue cavern point, Isthmus area



description: Blue Cavern Point - beautiful wall dive with some sea fans, just east of Two Harbors, with many caves
and caverns in shallow water. Excellent visibility, must be done as a drift dive. Drops down past 130ft deep.

[BTFLCHLD]

[BTFLCHLD]

It appears the bruising and abrasions are conducive to someone thrashing to save themselves.

[Nico]

Wow. It seems on the diagrams of the body, she had a lot of fresh wounds but there were also some older bruises. I tend to think that the impact of the fall could have caused many of those bruises. I mean, it's fairly turbulent and her body was probably knocked around, poor thing.

Ugh. It's also telling that RJ was honest about it not being suicide. I have to say, if he was guilty of anything he could have probably concocted something to save himself, and that angle would be feasible, right?

But still...it just seems to get more and more interesting.

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

It appears the bruising and abrasions are conducive to someone thrashing to save themselves.

That is SO sad.

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by Nico

Wow. It seems on the diagrams of the body, she had a lot of fresh wounds but there were also some older bruises.

the filming of brainstorm was incomplete when natalie died. there were some scenes in the movie that were physically demanding, and I seem to recall an interview somewhere that she states that is/was the case. it would make sense that she may have received some bruising while filming, as well I do believe they were on vacation for days prior to this and I know when I am out and about hiking, and on and off a boat, I too come away with bruising from a bang here and there.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

the filming of brainstorm was incomplete when natalie died. there were some scenes in the movie that were physically demanding, and I seem to recall an interview somewhere that she states that is/was the case. it would make sense that she may have received some bruising while filming, as well I do believe they were on vacation for days prior to this and I know when I am out and about hiking, and on and off a boat, I too come away with bruising from a bang here and there.

This all makes sense to me. I wonder why people jumped so harshly on the 'RJ did it' bandwagon. It seems that the possibility he didn't do it is very realistic. But my guess is that the whole scenario of there being only three people and the captain on the boat makes it more likely they'd point to one of them.

I guess RJ has had altering stories as well through the years, which can sometimes sway people's opinions.

[BTFLCHLD]

Nico, when you have a chance, see This Property Is Condemned.
This is one of my favorite films. I wore through the video but now own the dvd.
I have always been, and always will be, a major fan.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061089/

[Nico]

I so will BTFLCHLD. I have been a fan of Natalie's for most of my life but I admit I've not seen all her films. Now I'm pumped to see more. If you have a chance give me your top list and I'll go from there.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by McTrouble

Going back to Natalie - anyone remember her in "Meteor" with Sean Connery? I think it was very late 70's, she was still a stunner in that too!

No hon. I never saw that one either. I have much to catch up on!! Thank you for the recommendation.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

Her final movie "brainstorm" with Walken is kickass -- I recommend it.

I loved it too. I usually can't stand those type of movies but it was intriguing. And, maybe her death and the questions about her relationship with Walken helped add to my interest. But, I still enjoyed it.



Another movie I enjoyed besides my Christmas favorite, "Miracle on 34th Street" and the classic, "Splendor in the Grass" is "Inside Daisy Clover".

Originally Posted by Nico

This is all true. I don't know, I have a strange fascination with mysteries I suppose. And being that there are so many who believe one thing and other who believe the other, it sort of pulls me in more. I'm not losing sleep over it. Natalie is gone and nothing that results from this can bring her back. But still...it just sort of interests me.

Oh, I am with you! I'm totally into mysteries. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise, really. I just believe that it was an accident although I stumbled on some gossip today that certainly spices up the theories...

Originally Posted by Nico

This all makes sense to me. I wonder why people jumped so harshly on the 'RJ did it' bandwagon. It seems that the possibility he didn't do it is very realistic. But my guess is that the whole scenario of there being only three people and the captain on the boat makes it more likely they'd point to one of them.

I guess RJ has had altering stories as well through the years, which can sometimes sway people's opinions.

Ok, so it's just a piece of gossip but remember earlier when I mentioned Stefanie Powers and William Holden's death? It happened a couple of week's prior to Natalie's drowning. I remember there was a lot of speculation going on in the tabloids anyway about the "coincidence" of the timing of their deaths and the rumors about Stefanie & RJ. So, the gossip I read was a theory in effect that Bill Holden (who was an alcoholic and had recently been drinking again) had actually gotten into a fight with Stefanie and she either hit him or he fell, she left him and he died. It went on to say that because of her relationship with RJ and the knowledge that if the truth was revelaed she would be implicated, their show would be canceled and careers go up smoke, that she was calling him all hours of the night pissing Natalie off and she was fed up with their affair. The speculation is that Natalie was fighting on the boat that night with RJ about Stefanie because she knew the truth about Holden's death and that RJ was determined to protect Stefanie.

If there is zero truth in that theory, it sure is well thought out.

Meanwhile, I stumbled on this website of the author of Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendor -- with a ton more info: http://martirulli.blogspot.com/

[Macfanforever]

Natalie was one of my moms favoite actresses besides Shirley Temple.This will be very interesting 30 years later. Not with all of this computer and CSI technology that we have now.I also likes Natalie Wood too.