Stevie and Joni and Jackson

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

Agree 100% with your first statement. Love the way you phrased it too.

I'm interested in why you think CIAR could be seen as JM selling out? I don't have a view on it, just wondering why you think that?

Loz

Two words: Billy Idol.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Two words: Billy Idol.

I was actually living in Canada when CMIAR came out and I taped an interview Joni did with CBC in which she talked about why she worked with people like him and Peter Gabriel on that record. She used a painting analogy and said their voices were the aural equivalent of colours on canvas. I listened to that interview over and over, and as I type this I can hear her beautiful Canadian accent so clearly, the way she said 'they're like colours'.

I still listen to her version of 'Corrina, Corrina' over all others.

Sorry for going OT, but while I have I might as well ask: do you ever go on the official Joni website forums?

[wheart]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I was actually living in Canada when CMIAR came out and I taped an interview Joni did with CBC in which she talked about why she worked with people like him and Peter Gabriel on that record. She used a painting analogy and said their voices were the aural equivalent of colours on canvas. I listened to that interview over and over, and as I type this I can hear her beautiful Canadian accent so clearly, the way she said 'they're like colours'.

I still listen to her version of 'Corrina, Corrina' over all others.

Sorry for going OT, but while I have I might as well ask: do you ever go on the official Joni website forums?

I think CIAR is actually quite good...yes, the production is very dated with those heavy drums and snyths but I think it's by far the very best of her 3 1980's albums. Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog are beyond dreadful. Of all Joni's albums (and I own them all), those two I never play...ever. I think she really returned to form in the 90's and even her last release, Shine, is excellent...pity her voice is shot beyond repair.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by wheart

I think CIAR is actually quite good...yes, the production is very dated with those heavy drums and snyths but I think it's by far the very best of her 3 1980's albums. Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog are beyond dreadful. Of all Joni's albums (and I own them all), those two I never play...ever. I think she really returned to form in the 90's and even her last release, Shine, is excellent...pity her voice is shot beyond repair.

I pretty much agree. I never took to Turbulent Indigo, for some reason, but Shine is good. My favourite of her later stuff is Night Ride Home. I listen to that, Court and Spark, and Hejira most of all. What an incredible talent.

[wheart]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I pretty much agree. I never took to Turbulent Indigo, for some reason, but Shine is good. My favourite of her later stuff is Night Ride Home. I listen to that, Court and Spark, and Hejira most of all. What an incredible talent.

yeah, Turbulent Indigo is kinda tough...I love the lyrics but it's very dark. My favorite early records are Hejira, For the Roses, and Ladies of the Canyon. The "Painting with Words & Music" DVD from 98 is fantastic!!

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by Tango

I guess you know Stevie went out with JD Souther

Did she?! Is there much info out there about this? When was this? It's not surprising news considering her Eagles connections but I like this more because I think JD Souther is brilliant. The Fast One, Border Town (Souther-Hillman-Furay band), Faithless Love, Say You Will (with Linda Ronstadt)... great stuff.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by Dodfather

Did she?! Is there much info out there about this? When was this? It's not surprising news considering her Eagles connections but I like this more because I think JD Souther is brilliant. The Fast One, Border Town (Souther-Hillman-Furay band), Faithless Love, Say You Will (with Linda Ronstadt)... great stuff.

JD in connection with Stevie is mentioned in the conversation tapes made by Carol Ann Harris and Sara Recor/Fleetwood. Can't recall what they say, exactly. But Sara Fleetwood has confirmed that the 'undoing the laces' line in 'Sara' is about JD.

Stevie herself has said in an interview that she dated him, too. Again, I'm useless, as I can't point you to the interview. Sorry. Maybe someone else can?

[Tango]

Originally Posted by Dodfather

Did she?! Is there much info out there about this? When was this? It's not surprising news considering her Eagles connections but I like this more because I think JD Souther is brilliant. The Fast One, Border Town (Souther-Hillman-Furay band), Faithless Love, Say You Will (with Linda Ronstadt)... great stuff.

Here's a quote, courtesy of "In Her Own Words":


Well, when Lindsey and I broke up during Rumours , I started going out with Don Henley. And you know, I was like the biggest Eagles fan of life. And we went out, on and off, for about two years. He was really cute, and he was elegant. ...He is sexy. He's such an interesting guy. Here's one thing that Don did that freaked my band out so much. We're all in Miami, Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles. They're recording at this gorgeous house they'd rented on the water. It's totally romantic. It's pink. It's like Mar-a-Lago. Anyway, he sends a limousine driver over to our hotel with a box of presents for me, and they're delivered right into the breakfast room where everyone's eating. There's a stereo, a bunch of fabulous records. There's incredible flowers and fruits, beautiful.. The limousine driver is taking all this out onto the table and I'm going, Oh, please, please, this is not going to go down well. And they want to know who it's from. And Lindsey is not happy. So I started going out with him. And this is not popular. Sure, Lindsey and I are totally broken up, I have every right in the world to go out with people, but...I spend most of my time with the band, and it's not real conducive to having a relationship. So, I went out with Don for awhile. I went out with [Eagles songwriter] J.D. Souther for awhile. We had an incredible time.




..And then I fell in love with Mick [Fleetwood]. And that went on for two years. Never in a million years could you have told me that would happen. That was the biggest surprise. Mick is definitely one of my great, great loves. [How was that between Lindsey and Mick?] That was not good. That was not good for anybody else in the band. Everybody was so angry, because Mick was married. To a wonderful girl and he had two wonderful children, and I was horrified. I loved these people. I loved his family. So it couldn't have possibly worked out. And it didn't. It just couldn't.
~Stevie Nicks, Spin, October, 1997


Here's a good article on JD if you want to know more about him:
http://www.debbiekruger.com/writer/f...jdsouther.html

[markolas]

See, I think Wild Things is the best of Joni's '80s albums. She tends to get sanctimonious when she writes socially conscious lyrics: for example, "The Three Great Stimulants" from Dog Eat Dog is just so over-the-top, I can hardly bear to listen to it. I don't like the production on it or Chalk Mark, which I think has some rather silly songs on it).

Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo (esp. the latter) are much better. Taming the Tiger has its moments (lots of people hate the guitar she used on that album, but I love it; tho it would've gotten old fast if she'd used it on subsequent albums).

I enjoyed BSN and Travelogue quite a bit, but I never listen to Shine anymore. She went back into Dog Eat Dog territory with the sanctimonious lyrics, although I like the production much better.

I don't care much for Joni's first 3 albums, altho Ladies of the Canyon is a helluva lot better than the first two. I've never been able to get into For the Roses and I can't for the life of me understand why people like it so much. Court & Spark, Summer Lawns, and Hejira are her best work, IMO.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by markolas

See, I think Wild Things is the best of Joni's '80s albums. She tends to get sanctimonious when she writes socially conscious lyrics: for example, "The Three Great Stimulants" from Dog Eat Dog is just so over-the-top, I can hardly bear to listen to it. I don't like the production on it or Chalk Mark, which I think has some rather silly songs on it).

Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo (esp. the latter) are much better. Taming the Tiger has its moments (lots of people hate the guitar she used on that album, but I love it; tho it would've gotten old fast if she'd used it on subsequent albums).

I enjoyed BSN and Travelogue quite a bit, but I never listen to Shine anymore. She went back into Dog Eat Dog territory with the sanctimonious lyrics, although I like the production much better.

I don't care much for Joni's first 3 albums, altho Ladies of the Canyon is a helluva lot better than the first two. I've never been able to get into For the Roses and I can't for the life of me understand why people like it so much. Court & Spark, Summer Lawns, and Hejira are her best work, IMO.

No way. BLUE is by far her best work.

[markolas]

Blue is a classic, and one of my favorites, but I like the later jazzier stuff better.

[Dodfather]

My favourite Joni albums are Court and Spark, Blue and Hejira (such an underrated album). Dog Eat Dog is horrible! I tried with it but...ughhh. no. I quite like Chalkmark In A Rainstorm though, including Dancin' Clown!

[Blueletter18]

I just finished Girls LIke Us and loved it! I started listening to Joni Mitchell, and I love Clouds and Court and Spark. I agree, For the Roses is really hard to get into. My favorite little anecdote in the book is about Carly and Joni meeting over an arranged lunch, and Linda Ronstadt was brought along to ease the tension. It says she ended up eating everyone's leftovers, hahaha. But just the thought of those three great talents at lunch together is pretty amazing.

[Macfanforever]

It's sad to see these artists never get radio airplay no more.My late sister liked Joni Mitchell.

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by Blueletter18

I agree, For the Roses is really hard to get into. My favorite little anecdote in the book is about Carly and Joni meeting over an arranged lunch, and Linda Ronstadt was brought along to ease the tension.

I like For The Roses but yes, it took me a while. Linda was brought along to ease the tension?! I guess that must have been before the infamous incident where JD cheated on her with Joni... which Linda discovered when she got home one morning to find Joni leaving her and JD'S house in the Canyon! Of course that story may not be true but I've read it in many different sources over the years.

Another great book on the whole LA Laurel Canyon scene, Joni, Carly etc.. is Barney Hoskins's Hotel California. It was also turned into an excellent BBC documentary but the book is superb.