UK Tour Dates

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Then I suppose you are okay with working your normal full time job but taking a big paycut, or worse, owing your employers money. The reason she goes to "other places" is because they make it worth her while. She is certainly not a humanitarian mission to Australia; she is evidently making serious bank there and is playing large theatres and stadiums there. Perhaps your ire should be directed more at your local tour promoters than at Stevie? And what about all of the apathetic residents of Europe who didn't exactly run out and buy Stevie's newest album? If nobody is buying her music, chances are that they won't pay money to see her live in concert. Promoters realize this.

I think that's harsh, especially since Dodfather and I and others in this thread are exactly the people who did buy Stevie's product in Europe. The broader point is surely why a tour has to make 'serious bank' to be worth doing at all? I actually don't believe that there is are no promoters at all who are willing to bring Stevie to the UK, especially if it was in conjunction with Dave S. And if the real shortage is not simply 'promoters' but 'promoters who will guarantee Stevie et al a massive paycheque', then we're back to the central point: why must the cheque be massive?

I don't pretend to understand the business, but I have eyes and ears, and there are acts coming to this country and my city all the time who don't have the drawing power of Stevie Nicks, and they manage it somehow. I just wonder why she 'can't'.

Loz

[wild-heart]

The reaction she got here in the summer was great so it is disappointing that we're not getting any dates and thats our lot but i guess theres reasons. Sad but i've kinda given up any hope of us getting any dates.

[jellyman10]

^^^ Me, too. Could do without being kicked while I'm down, as well!

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I think that's harsh, especially since Dodfather and I and others in this thread are exactly the people who did buy Stevie's product in Europe. The broader point is surely why a tour has to make 'serious bank' to be worth doing at all? I actually don't believe that there is are no promoters at all who are willing to bring Stevie to the UK, especially if it was in conjunction with Dave S. And if the real shortage is not simply 'promoters' but 'promoters who will guarantee Stevie et al a massive paycheque', then we're back to the central point: why must the cheque be massive?

Loz

I pretty much heard firsthand that this is the case... at the moment. Stevie would love to tour Europe. That's all I can say.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I think that's harsh, especially since Dodfather and I and others in this thread are exactly the people who did buy Stevie's product in Europe. The broader point is surely why a tour has to make 'serious bank' to be worth doing at all? I actually don't believe that there is are no promoters at all who are willing to bring Stevie to the UK, especially if it was in conjunction with Dave S. And if the real shortage is not simply 'promoters' but 'promoters who will guarantee Stevie et al a massive paycheque', then we're back to the central point: why must the cheque be massive?

I don't pretend to understand the business, but I have eyes and ears, and there are acts coming to this country and my city all the time who don't have the drawing power of Stevie Nicks, and they manage it somehow. I just wonder why she 'can't'[/B].

Loz

Mostly because Stevie has high overhead costs. Stevie is very generous to those she works with and extravagant herself. I'd bet the house she pays her bandmates very handsomely, esp. her long-time cohorts Waddy, Lori, Sharon & Carlos Not to mention all the road crew, her assistant, friends and publicist - Stevie is notorious for her entourage and she will go perform where the promoters are willing & wanting to pay what she feels she is worth. She's a business unto herself and at her age she is not going to pare down if she doesn't have to. She's simply not getting the offers from the UK... it's not entirely in Stevie's hand's only. Hard Rock Calling worked because Rod invited her along to open, Had he not generously done so, I doubt she would have spent an entire 3 weeks in the UK promoting In Your Dreams.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I pretty much heard firsthand that this is the case... at the moment. Stevie would love to tour Europe. That's all I can say.

But how can that be true, as stated? There must be more to it, such as there being no one willing to bring her here on the terms she requires? I don't doubt what you've heard, I just can't reconcile that less popular acts appear here, they really do! So how are they doing it? Answer must be that they're running a different financial model.

I think our gripe boils down to the feeling that if there was really a will, then there would be a way. And it seems obvious that, where Stevie is concerned, there just isn't a will that sees performing the best music of your life while you're still vibrant enough to do it justice as a worthwhile thing to do.

But OK. I'm the first person to helpfully point out to others that the role of being a fan is thankless, so I'll take a leaf out of my own book and stfu now.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Mostly because Stevie has high overhead costs. Stevie is very generous to those she works with and extravagant herself. I'd bet the house she pays her bandmates very handsomely, esp. her long-time cohorts Waddy, Lori, Sharon & Carlos Not to mention all the road crew, her assistant, friends and publicist - Stevie is notorious for her entourage and she will go perform where the promoters are willing & wanting to pay what she feels she is worth. She's a business unto herself and at her age she is not going to pare down if she doesn't have to.

Yeh, I just kind of concluded this myself, Christopher. Thanks.

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

But how can that be true, as stated? There must be more to it, such as there being no one willing to bring her here on the terms she requires? I don't doubt what you've heard, I just can't reconcile that less popular acts appear here, they really do! So how are they doing it? Answer must be that they're running a different financial model.

I think our gripe boils down to the feeling that if there was really a will, then there would be a way. And it seems obvious that, where Stevie is concerned, there just isn't a will that sees performing the best music of your life while you're still vibrant enough to do it justice as a worthwhile thing to do.

But OK. I'm the first person to helpfully point out to others that the role of being a fan is thankless, so I'll take a leaf out of my own book and stfu now.

Trust Ed on this.

Stevie needs to make a certain amount of money at each gig to make any profit and unfortunately, the UK venues aren't willing to meet that requirement. She truly is working on it and she's hoping to make it happen in the near future... just wait it out and you should be pleasantly surprised.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Trust Ed on this.

Stevie needs to make a certain amount of money at each gig to make any profit and unfortunately, the UK venues aren't willing to meet that requirement. She truly is working on it and she's hoping to make it happen in the near future... just wait it out and you should be pleasantly surprised.

Ya know, my other half is a football fan (that's soccer to you lot) and as he always says when his team's 1-0 up with five minutes to go, and then end up losing 2-1 ..... 'It's the hope that kills you!!'

I'D GIVEN UP, DANI, YOU LITTLE MINX! I WAS HAPPY!! Now I have a miserable little hope-worm in my heart. Pah.

[Macfanforever]

I dont want quote somebody from other forums .heres some info from a musician forum.

Scroll down and read the post from" dbbubba '.Very interesting.Stevie probably take home alittlebet of the bacon.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...r-concert.html

[AliceLover]

If Lindsey can go to Europe and play, so can Stevie. Easily.

[Macfanforever]

Cali was hanging for awhile now she will play in Cali.I do have a feeling she might pop in UK
for some shows.We will see.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

If Lindsey can go to Europe and play, so can Stevie. Easily.

If Stevie can play OZ, Stevie can play Europe. Easily.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

I dont want quote somebody from other forums .heres some info from a musician forum.

Scroll down and read the post from" dbbubba '.Very interesting.Stevie probably take home alittlebet of the bacon.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...r-concert.html

Thanks for that link. I have nothing to compare that info against, and I don't know whether to trust it, but at least it's facts of a sort.

My basic point, though, remains the same: Stevie is 63, and life and people being what they are, IYD might be the last solo album she makes. She had pneumonia the day it was released. Anything can happen to anyone at any point, so if there was ever a time to say 'Y'know what? I have many millions of dollars in the bank, and I can't take it with me, so let's blow a chunk of it taking this music out there, even to the places where I don't make a dime', then this is it.

I realise my 'problem' is that I don't see what she does as a day-job. I see it as her vocation, her calling, what she is on this earth to do. And the trouble is, I got all of that BS from her. And that's why I expect her to live up to it.

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I think that's harsh, especially since Dodfather and I and others in this thread are exactly the people who did buy Stevie's product in Europe. The broader point is surely why a tour has to make 'serious bank' to be worth doing at all? I actually don't believe that there is are no promoters at all who are willing to bring Stevie to the UK, especially if it was in conjunction with Dave S. And if the real shortage is not simply 'promoters' but 'promoters who will guarantee Stevie et al a massive paycheque', then we're back to the central point: why must the cheque be massive?

Thank you.