Is Wide Sargasso Sea about Rupert Hine?

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

When Stevie writes about her relationships, it's always usually in first person. Yes? GAG is written in third person. I think it's about a relationship she was watching unfold and not about one of hers at all.

She switches tenses all the time..

Thrown Down = third person (.. mostly lol)

The Highwayman= third person

ELY = third person

Moonlight = third person

Bella Donna = every tense imaginable

Rooms on Fire = third person.. sometimes

Sable on Blonde = third person... sometimes

just to name a few.

Although I have no clue what GAG is about. I have various theories but none of them really end up having much conclusive evidence, because the song perplexes me. And I'm usually pretty good at reading too much into Stevie's lyrics so that's saying something

GAG makes use of first person, too, sort of. "I thought he was heeeeeeeere"

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

She switches tenses all the time..

Thrown Down = third person (.. mostly lol)

The Highwayman= third person

ELY = third person

Moonlight = third person

Bella Donna = every tense imaginable

Rooms on Fire = third person

Sable on Blonde = third person

just to name a few.

.....most of these switch at least once or twice. GAG doesn't.

ROF: "Maybe I'm just thinking...."
SOB: "I think of you...now"

Anyway....the lyrics out of context are pretty dumb. It's the music and the pace that makes the song.

[glamorousnymph]

Originally Posted by Amlyn

She has rescinded the "Love of my life" comment recently...thank goodness. So either something did go south in recent times or some kind of personal reflection must have happened.

I have thought maybe she read what he said about her, or tried to reach out and he snubbed her... Definitely a change of tone.

Then, maybe she just doesn't need him right now, because she has Lindsey and Soldier's Angel?

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by glamorousnymph

I have thought maybe she read what he said about her, or tried to reach out and he snubbed her... Definitely a change of tone.

Then, maybe she just doesn't need him right now, because she has Lindsey and Soldier's Angel?

Stevie hasn't needed "him" in decades. Thank Goodness!! Stevie has definitely changed her perspective about him & their relationship ("moment's...not years of drama") Maybe once she witnessed with her sober eyes what a compassionate, creative & funny musical genius Dave was, she began to realize that talent & passion doesn't automatically = narcissistic techie asshole!

[glamorousnymph]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Stevie hasn't needed "him" in decades. Thank Goodness!! Stevie has definitely changed her perspective about him & their relationship ("moment's...not years of drama") Maybe once she witnessed with her sober eyes what a compassionate, creative & funny musical genius Dave was, she began to realize that talent & passion doesn't automatically = narcissistic techie asshole!

I meant needed him in the press, not in her life, but i agree, good riddance! She usually finds one hook that gets attention and for a while, it was "Joe was the love of my life" which ended up in some of the headlines.

(What is the moments...not years of drama? I must've missed something!) I'm very curious about what caused her change in tone about Joe. Haven't we all been there? Someone looms in your life for years as the one who got away, and then for whatever reason, the person loses his magic.

I never knew about the Rupert coke incident, very interesting.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

She switches tenses all the time..

Thrown Down = third person (.. mostly lol)

The Highwayman= third person

ELY = third person

Moonlight = third person

Bella Donna = every tense imaginable

Rooms on Fire = third person.. sometimes

Sable on Blonde = third person... sometimes

just to name a few.

Although I have no clue what GAG is about. I have various theories but none of them really end up having much conclusive evidence, because the song perplexes me. And I'm usually pretty good at reading too much into Stevie's lyrics so that's saying something

GAG makes use of first person, too, sort of. "I thought he was heeeeeeeere"

Not to be picky, but these aren't tenses, they're "person". As you say, she switches from first person to third all time.

She also switches tenses... from present to past.... all the time.

In the SYW doc Lindsey points both of these things out to her.....

[Spikey]

IMO- The short answer is yes, the long answer is that the book and the song are played off each other so that it is more subtle than Stevie doing another Rooms on Fire song.

I think there are far too many specific references to Rupert Hine/their relationship/the song ROF, in this song for it to be a coincidence. The burned line, the Englishman line, they never saw each other again line.. it may have been in the book, but why would Stevie care? Because it has a direct parallel with what happened in her life.

Also, probably, she hasn't dealt with the Rupert sh*t for over 20 years. It feels like a release song, kind of vengeful, like a good Stevie song.. "You'll never forget that kiss.."

One final point- the sound of the song and the pace makes me think of an angry ROF at some points, like the ending. It doesn't sound like ROF specifically but the ethereal sound makes me conjure up an image of fire and the subtext. Of course, I'm getting kind of vague now.

[GoldDustBoy]

I never thought that WSS could be about Rupert Hine, but now I totally believe it could be. I also never heard about the cocaine rumour. I remember seeing a picture from the recording of OSOTM with a pretty decent amount of pot in a bag on the table in front of Stevie, but coke!? Years ago it was speculated that Stevie caught Rupert with anther man, and she never talked to him again. He was in the audience on some of her recent tours, and tried to contact her. She was aware he was there, and totally ignored him. I have to say that I gag every time I see his picture. He is one ugly f**k.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Maybe once she witnessed with her sober eyes what a compassionate, creative & funny musical genius Dave was, she began to realize that talent & passion doesn't automatically = narcissistic techie asshole!

I think I love you.

[jellyman10]

I think it's mostly about the film, which is a bit steamy, but that both it and the book do resonate with a couple of Stevie's relationships. My first hunch was that the biggest resonance was Mick. It's the 'only thing they did together was to make love' and the 'when he first saw her' stuff. I think the secrecy of her and Mick's liaison meant that they couldn't really do any normal 'couply' things at all. And with the coke habit being in full swing with both of them, I can imagine that they spent a much higher proportion of their time between the sheets. I can also see Mick confiding to her that he'd been very attracted to her from the first time her saw her. He says as much in his book (albeit doubtful in the details, it could be true in spirit). Stevie also did look at times very like Jenny, whom Mick also fell for instantly.

I know the never speaking again and burning down the house stuff doesn't resonate with Mick, but that's what I mean when I say I think it's mainly about the film/book, but that some of the intensity of the relationship finds an echo in some of her affairs, and for me the biggest echo is Mick.

Loz

[SaidSomething]

Stevie was bulls***t at someone in this song. Fleetwood Mac? Lindsey?
It couldn't have been Joe Walsh as they hooked up on the tour. Also, I think Rock A Little was mostly about him. No Spoken Word...They said she had everything...(THEY?) FM? And you wont see me ever again...


Then NO LIGHT/Planets Of The Universe...don't condescend to me...take your leave of me now...disappear...into the air...I wish you gone...and I don't care...

Who are all these prickly men?

[LilyRose]

Originally Posted by GoldDustBoy

Years ago it was speculated that Stevie caught Rupert with anther man, and she never talked to him again. He was in the audience on some of her recent tours, and tried to contact her. She was aware he was there, and totally ignored him. I have to say that I gag every time I see his picture. He is one ugly f**k.

That's always been my speculation- for which I have absolutely no basis, just a hunch.

I didn't know he had tried to contact her & showed up at her gigs though.

[GoldDustBoy]

Originally Posted by LilyRose

That's always been my speculation- for which I have absolutely no basis, just a hunch.

I didn't know he had tried to contact her & showed up at her gigs though.

Listening to Stevie is known to cause premonitions. There must be someone who knows more about the subject. I remember it being discussed here or on SW.

[Ghosty]

I heard that Rupert was going to leave his wife for Stevie, but then found out his wife was pregnant and he went back to her, which broke Stevie's heart.

I don't remember where I heard that from, but that is what I had heard way back when. Especially the part about him going back to his wife. I heard that part a few times. I have always hated the guy. He killed a Stevie album. She also seemed at her worst emotionally after him. He played with her emotions when she was so vulnerable. Asshole! If the coke part is true, double asshole! If anyone sees him at a concert, please spit on him. (then beat him senseless, lol!)

Never heard he was seen with a dude. But cheating is cheating, I guess. even though stevie was cheating with him on his wife. Sheesh! OSOTM could have been Stevie's Rumours cd!

[GoldDustBoy]

Originally Posted by Ghosty

I heard that Rupert was going to leave his wife for Stevie, but then found out his wife was pregnant and he went back to her, which broke Stevie's heart.

I don't remember where I heard that from, but that is what I had heard way back when. Especially the part about him going back to his wife. I heard that part a few times. I have always hated the guy. He killed a Stevie album. She also seemed at her worst emotionally after him. He played with her emotions when she was so vulnerable. Asshole! If the coke part is true, double asshole! If anyone sees him at a concert, please spit on him. (then beat him senseless, lol!)

Never heard he was seen with a dude. But cheating is cheating, I guess. even though stevie was cheating with him on his wife. Sheesh! OSOTM could have been Stevie's Rumours cd!

I did a research and yes, you are right. They saw each other for a fairly long time, until his wife got pregnant, so he left Stevie and got back with her. The gay thing was just a rumor I suppose. I hate his production on OSOTM, and I wish she never worked with him in the first place.