FWIW question...

[chiffon head]

Originally Posted by David

I agree. The "great romance" is the life she's had at the top of the rock & roll world. That would include relationships, but it means so much more.

This was a song that, when I first heard it, I enjoyed the casualness of it. It seemed genuine, too. But it never made me think of Lindsey--it made me think of the recent life of a close friend of mine, so I sent the song to her because I knew she'd know exactly what I was thinking.

To me, it gets really boring & constraining to think of everything Stevie writes in terms of Lindsey's effect on her. If that were all true, that would be a really boring--and yet still psychotically obsessed--life. I think Stevie's life--even the parts she remembers--was a lot more exciting than that.

Look at Stevie in my sig. It's September 24, 1983, at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre. See the smile on her face? That's her great romance. It's Joe & Mick & Don & Lindsey & Sharon & the Wild Heart tour & Europe & Australia & concerts & audiences & fans & songs on the radio & People magazine covers & rock bands & all of life wrapped up in a moment of adrenaline.

Agreed~and I interpret the chorus as meaning leaving a girlfriend to go out on the road/tour with Stevie~

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

First, because the song encompasses her entire career/life. Second, because the romance is "still forbidden", "still outrageous" which indicates it is an ongoing relationship.

I don't see an implication that the relationship is ongoing. It's "still forbidden," because society hasn't changed its view on extra-marital affairs. Even all these years later, the fact that she had a clandestine relationship with a married man at all, is still considered taboo.

Plus, the lines surrounding that statement are past tense ("only a few around us knew," "no one said a word," "it was contagious").

Sorry, folks, but I don't think this track has a single thing to do with Lindsey.

[LilyRose]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't see an implication that the relationship is ongoing. It's "still forbidden," because society hasn't changed its view on extra-marital affairs. Even all these years later, the fact that she had a clandestine relationship with a married man at all, is still considered taboo.

Plus, the lines surrounding that statement are past tense ("only a few around us knew," "no one said a word," "it was contagious").

Sorry, folks, but I don't think this track has a single thing to do with Lindsey.

I agree 100%

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't see an implication that the relationship is ongoing. It's "still forbidden," because society hasn't changed its view on extra-marital affairs. Even all these years later, the fact that she had a clandestine relationship with a married man at all, is still considered taboo.

Plus, the lines surrounding that statement are past tense ("only a few around us knew," "no one said a word," "it was contagious").

Sorry, folks, but I don't think this track has a single thing to do with Lindsey.

I agree. Lindsey was never "forbidden" until 1997. If they had actually wanted each other any time before then, they could have had each other. Even today, Tom Petty would not want to say he had an affair with her, because he's divorced, but he still has grown children from that marriage who wouldn't like to hear it. That's why they (or whatever other married man it might have been) don't acknowledge it even today.

The Traveling Wilburys look of the video convinced me even more that it was Petty.

Since she talks about Dallas spending 47 days in rehab with her while she was molting, then I think the "saved my life, I won't forget it" part is about him. Lindsey wasn't even talking to her willingly during that time in her life according to her and if he was supportive, there would be no reason for her to lie and to keep it secret.

I don't see anything in the song as being about Lindsey.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I agree. Lindsey was never "forbidden" until 1997. If they had actually wanted each other any time before then, they could have had each other. Even today, Tom Petty would not want to say he had an affair with her, because he's divorced, but he still has grown children from that marriage who wouldn't like to hear it. That's why they (or whatever other married man it might have been) don't acknowledge it even today.

Assuming that's what she means by forbidden. Why would it it be any less forbidden if it was just a girlfriend or a longtime partner? If everyone thinks Stevie has such a hippie ideology and wouldn't marry Lindsey because she couldn't "define love like it should be" then why is she putting it into the traditional box all of a sudden? She's getting old fashioned in her old age!

Since she talks about Dallas spending 47 days in rehab with her while she was molting, then I think the "saved my life, I won't forget it" part is about him.

Yeah, I'm sure he was there since it was his job.

Lindsey wasn't even talking to her willingly during that time in her life according to her and if he was supportive, there would be no reason for her to lie and to keep it secret.

I don't see anything in the song as being about Lindsey.

Michele

Well, according to her she had put Secret Love in a envelope or box and shipped it to her mother in 1975 or 6 whichever and never thought of it again until recently -- until Benmont reminded her it was recorded for Bella Donna. Oh, and there's that thing about her and Lindsey not getting intimate with one another until 1971 -- but really they were living together and had a house in 1969... In 1994 she said she was so wrapped up in her career she couldn't even have a dog.... which she's always had!! My point being - just because she said on record for the world that Lindsey wasn't talking to her doesn't necessarily mean that's true -- or it may have been true that day! LOL We don't have any real way of knowing. Besides, wasn't Tom doing his own tour? I sort of thought he had a huge enough of a complication going on with Dana and Jane.

Anyway, I think there is just as much of a possibility that it's about Lindsey as there is Tom (based on the story that came from Glen's girlfriend), but all that being said I was trying to get people to understand the truth in the earlier post about the Dallas Taylor connection and the reason for it. He's not the great romance. I believe that. It may be Tom. It may be Norm the roadie. It may be Lindsey (secretly). Who knows. Mystery. But, it was a great romance. And, it is poetic to think the great romance has been just her whole career -- her fans. That's romantic in a different kind of way. I like that too.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Assuming that's what she means by forbidden. Why would it it be any less forbidden if it was just a girlfriend or a longtime partner? If everyone thinks Stevie has such a hippie ideology and wouldn't marry Lindsey because she couldn't "define love like it should be" then why is she putting it into the traditional box all of a sudden? She's getting old fashioned in her old age!

I don't think Stevie wouldn't marry Lindsey. And anyway I don't think she is the one being traditional. I think the male in the relationship was the traditional one and that he's the one who doesn't want the relationship disclosed. He's not like Mick.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Yeah, I'm sure he was there since it was his job.

I'm sure he was there because Stevie said he was there the whole 47 days. As far as his job goes, I don't know him and I don't know what his ethics are. I do know that people cross professional lines all of the time. Medical doctors, psychiatrists, teachers, parents. They have sex with those who are vulnerable quite often. I don't think he is the great romance in the song, but I don't have an opinion on the extent of his relationship with Stevie, one way or another.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Anyway, I think there is just as much of a possibility that it's about Lindsey as there is Tom

I don't think there's any possibility that it's about Lindsey, but the song certainly invites speculation in general, as does the unfinished sentence in particular.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think Stevie wouldn't marry Lindsey. And anyway I don't think she is the one being traditional. I think the male in the relationship was the traditional one and that he's the one who doesn't want the relationship disclosed. He's not like Mick.



I'm sure he was there because Stevie said he was there the whole 47 days. As far as his job goes, I don't know him and I don't know what his ethics are. I do know that people cross professional lines all of the time. Medical doctors, psychiatrists, teachers, parents. They have sex with those who are vulnerable quite often. I don't think he is the great romance in the song, but I don't have an opinion on the extent of his relationship with Stevie, one way or another.



I don't think there's any possibility that it's about Lindsey, but the song certainly invites speculation in general, as does the unfinished sentence in particular.

Michele

Indeed....

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm sure he was there because Stevie said he was there the whole 47 days. As far as his job goes, I don't know him and I don't know what his ethics are. I do know that people cross professional lines all of the time. Medical doctors, psychiatrists, teachers, parents. They have sex with those who are vulnerable quite often. I don't think he is the great romance in the song, but I don't have an opinion on the extent of his relationship with Stevie, one way or another.

On the flip side, patients frequently have transference experiences with their caregivers, even when (or particularly when) the clinician sets and maintains clear and firm boundaries. Transference can be a very powerful and healing part of recovery.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by jannieC

On the flip side, patients frequently have transference experiences with their caregivers, even when (or particularly when) the clinician sets and maintains clear and firm boundaries. Transference can be a very powerful and healing part of recovery.

What is transference?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jannieC

On the flip side, patients frequently have transference experiences with their caregivers, even when (or particularly when) the clinician sets and maintains clear and firm boundaries. Transference can be a very powerful and healing part of recovery.

Oh, yes, I'm sure that happens quite commonly, more than ethical violations do.

When you think someone is rescuing you, saving your life, it would not be uncommon to transfer feelings you have for those in your life (those you wish could be that rescuer for you or have been in the past or failed to be in the past) to the therapist.

Michele

[mikephxaz]

Well, when I started this thread with a simple question I didn't know that it would end up in a discussion about "transference of affections from a drug addict to her caregiver". Lol. I love it!!!

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by mikephxaz

Well, when I started this thread with a simple question I didn't know that it would end up in a discussion about "transference of affections from a drug addict to her caregiver". Lol. I love it!!!

Which makes it even more tacky as hell for Stevie to thank Dallas' wife in the liner notes... just sayin'!

[LilyRose]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Which makes it even more tacky as hell for Stevie to thank Dallas' wife in the liner notes... just sayin'!

But if Stevie had an affair with Dallas, it might have started on the Street Angel tour. The album would have been recorded and done before their affair began. I mean, she did say in the Jim Ladd interview that this "forbidden", "outrageous" romance didn't start out as a romance at all. It could have started out as a friendship of sorts that blossomed into something more. Stranger things have happened...

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by LilyRose

But if Stevie had an affair with Dallas, it might have started on the Street Angel tour. The album would have been recorded and done before their affair began. I mean, she did say in the Jim Ladd interview that this "forbidden", "outrageous" romance didn't start out as a romance at all. It could have started out as a friendship of sorts that blossomed into something more. Stranger things have happened...

Tacky as hell that way too. But, I get everyone's belief about Stevie's love life and how she can't be just a normal person who maybe doesn't sleep with every man she meets. It's just amazing to me that everything gets spun that way. I think it's exaggerated and unrealistic.

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

What is transference?

I'm not vouching for this site in its entirety (first time visiting it) but this is a decent explanation of therapeutic transference:

http://www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=18