Stevie planned to adopt?

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by porkpie

I was just curious going by a comment in a previous post - but unless something's made public I think things like this shouldn't be debated; somethings have to remain private.

I agree that it would best remain something that is private; however, this has been made public already - nothing new here.. Stevie has talked about it herself. But with that said, she mentioned that it was something that she never would have told anyone or made public had it not already been revealed by someone else. So...

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by porkpie

I was just curious going by a comment in a previous post - but unless something's made public I think things like this shouldn't be debated; somethings have to remain private.

Well, if that's your criteria for a subject being suitable for discussion.... Things have been made public. Don Henley made them public, and then Stevie Nicks commented on them, which kept them public. So, with respect, it seems your beef might be with them.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

It did seem apposite to the topic of adoption, though.

I don't think so. I think there are many people who had abortions at one time in their life who went on to have (or to want to have) children later, when they were ready. And people have also given children up for adoption and then gone on to raise a family as well. Finances, careers, addiction or a bad domestic situation can make you give up a baby at one point, only to want one very badly 5 or 10 years later.

Michele

[jellyman10]

^^^ Of course you're right, Michele. I should've said it was apposite to the topic of children. I'm always amazed at how poorly I seem to explain my viewpoint here. I think it's because I'm conscious of not wanting to write really long posts, but then I end up just spewing inaccuracies and half-baked opinions. Sorry, fellow Ledgies.

[equeen102289]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

In my opinion, yes: she has confirmed it not only by not refuting it but by re-phrasing it in a way that makes it clear that she cannot deny it but she's damned if she's going to just say it straight out, if you get me?

She's said that Don Henley 'let the cat out of the bag' on that one and that he had to grovel for her forgiveness for that. She's also referred to something happening in that relationship 'that they weren't ready for'. And I think it's not a stretch to assume that more or less every time she says that 'it was impossible' for her or Chris to have a child while they were in FM, that she's referring to a scenario that actually occurred.

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When did she ever say this?

[porkpie]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

Well, if that's your criteria for a subject being suitable for discussion.... Things have been made public. Don Henley made them public, and then Stevie Nicks commented on them, which kept them public. So, with respect, it seems your beef might be with them.

I don't have a "beef" with anyone - discuss away, I was just saying I wasn't going to discuss it further.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by equeen102289

When did she ever say this?

She said it. I don't have it at my fingertips to show you, but she said it. I don't come on this forum to wind people up or show disrespect to Stevie Nicks. She speaks about her childlessness all the time and I find the artist-motherhood dilemma genuinely psychologically interesting. 'Sara' is my favourite Stevie song and I think I've read and heard pretty much everything that's out there about it. I don't expect this will be enough for you to accept that she said it, but it's all I can offer unless someone else remembers it or I spend hours trying to find it for you, which I can't do.

I've already tried to apologise for kicking off this subject again, so I hope you'll forgive me if I unsubscribe now.

[equeen102289]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

She said it. I don't have it at my fingertips to show you, but she said it. I don't come on this forum to wind people up or show disrespect to Stevie Nicks. She speaks about her childlessness all the time and I find the artist-motherhood dilemma genuinely psychologically interesting. 'Sara' is my favourite Stevie song and I think I've read and heard pretty much everything that's out there about it. I don't expect this will be enough for you to accept that she said it, but it's all I can offer unless someone else remembers it or I spend hours trying to find it for you, which I can't do.

I've already tried to apologise for kicking off this subject again, so I hope you'll forgive me if I unsubscribe now.

I was in no way saying that you're trying to stir the sh*t pot. I just simply wanted a source since that piece of information was new to me.

[daniellaaarisen]

I think it's just a fact of Stevie that she's had the abortions, and she definitely isn't avoiding the topic in her songwriting. She wasn't ready then but maybe felt she was during a lull in her career.

I don't know if I can see Stevie as a mother. Unless she adopted me, then it would make total sense

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think so. I think there are many people who had abortions at one time in their life who went on to have (or to want to have) children later, when they were ready. And people have also given children up for adoption and then gone on to raise a family as well. Finances, careers, addiction or a bad domestic situation can make you give up a baby at one point, only to want one very badly 5 or 10 years later.

Michele

Pretty sure he/she meant the discussion was apropos. Not "opposite."

The abortion topic is fun times.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by carrie721

Pretty sure he/she meant the discussion was apropos. Not "opposite."

No, Jellyman was saying apposite with an "a".

And if it's not on point, then it would be inapposite, which is one I use quite frequently. Michele

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by michelej1

No, Jellyman was saying apposite with an "a".

And if it's not on point, then it would be inapposite, which is one I use quite frequently. Michele

Yes, I understand what he meant. I guess it didn't occur to me that someone would argue that adoption and abortion aren't related concepts.

[SaidSomething]

Originally Posted by Silver Springs

This. Though there are plenty of families out there who are drug addicts and downright scum who are allowed to keep the children they have, despite being the cause of their instability. It's ridiculous that the children wouldn't be immediately removed. I know they're of a mindset that the family needs to stay together, but not to the child's detriment. They really need to re-evaluate their conduct when it comes to children and their environment. For example, addressing the issue of homosexual adoption. There are still far too many places where this is inconceivable, despite how good the couple would be in providing a solid and positive family unit. It makes me sick that bigotry is frowned upon in normal society, yet perfectly acceptable in the business and organisational sector.

Okay. Went off on a bit of a tangent there lol. My bad.

Isnt it sad? They label themselves as Christian but hurl Leviticus verses from the Old Testament...and those esoteric at best verses that they refer to for their right to condemn and torture...is far from Christian. Not religiousy just factual...Jesus said this...love one another, help the least among you, it is easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle than a rich man to know heaven. No, I will never leave you.

Todays modern day Pharasies like Michele Bachmann {I have 3 articles out on her exposing her deceptive, conniving bullshi* hate mission...with a flaming husband...and their whole Gay, Barbarian, Dicipline Fetish. One of my stories headline ended with...hey, I charge for that.
any person of income, race or creed has the potential to be the best parent. Also, private adoptions are pretty much buying a baby. Whatever it takes...as long as the child is loved, protected, guided...and safe.

[SaidSomething]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Yeah, that's not the way addiction works. My Mom cleaned up her act to a degree after she gave birth to me: she left my abusive father. But she kept doing cocaine for another 10 years. Nowadays she's a prescription drug addict. There is no logic when it comes to addicts, except the fact that their affliction is a disease. A disease that can't be treated by things that would make other folks straighten up their act (such as having children).

The thing about addicts is, they always have these grand, beautiful plans that never get accomplished. Stevie wanted to make a Rhiannon movie. She wanted to make a Goldfish & Ladybug cartoon. She wanted to write a book. She's been talking about all of these things since the late 1970s. Coming from a family of addicts, I can tell you- none of these things are going to happen. Just like her adopting never happened. I truly think most addicts have well meaning intentions- but they just have no capability when it comes to following through.

Sorry about your Mum...and sorry you feel this way. I was a Hollywood guy in the 80s and 90s...it was the mean streets of my Beverly Hills neighborhood that almost killed me. I did a few big cologne, wrinkled clothing with a bare chest, mens hair product line ad campaigns. I was so fragile, self conscious, humiliated and replaceable and disposable. I sould my soul to a Hollywood Ceo and was in a prison disguesd as a gym for years. I was an actor but, to make money i modeled...which left me opent for "nice teeth but, does he talk?" I was lucky for my best friend to put everything on hold until i was safe...and never giving up. She was a busy famous actress...we are close to this very day. We have a show in the works as i have guested on her talk show frequently...and they want me as the Ed McMahon to Johnny Carson. Ive gone back to school. I film little TV spots for Charity, I travled Europe, I am an advocate for Seniors, The disabled. The people that are like i used to be...for them...and anyone, Im there. Getting clean sucks. I put down booze...quit powder....and almost 10 years later a kidney surgery was held off as a Dr gave me 60 pain pills a week. Oxy Contin dilauded. I accidently got hooked but didnt know until i stopped. That hurt but, unconditional love and a ton of hard work in fear with the help of those that love until you can on your own. I have an 8 year love affair with my partner...
please dont make statements about addicts or their inabilities to succeed, follow through...Im cool by your interpretations of addicted people and their failures...but, someone might read your words and say, hmmm it must be true...and then check out. Forever. I pray for your Mum...and any feelings you have that are painful to this very day. Love heals. Endless possibilites and Miracles.
Jim

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by carrie721

Yes, I understand what he meant. I guess it didn't occur to me that someone would argue that adoption and abortion aren't related concepts.

I was not arguing that adoption and abortion were not related concepts. There was an earlier comment about the idea of Stevie not having a biological child when she had the opportunity being proof that she was never, ever going to be a mom, which is the context from which the apposite post sprang and I weighed in on that, saying that people who have had abortions did go on to be moms. It was an ongoing discussion and I think all of its actual participants understood each other.

Michele