The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Stevie Nicks
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:45 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default In Your Dreams - the best single potential gets dropped

I geuss I don't understand what planet Stevie or her team are on when it comes to their single choices. We have done polls before, so have other places and the consensus was that In Your Dreams was the most radio friendly.

She just dropped it from her set. Guess this means its not a single. Huh?
Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:43 AM
mylittledemon's Avatar
mylittledemon mylittledemon is offline
Moderator
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8,512
Default

I dunno about that. I'd say it was a wise decision. I don't find that track particularly alluring, and I don't suspect non-fans would either.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:45 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mylittledemon View Post
I dunno about that. I'd say it was a wise decision. I don't find that track particularly alluring, and I don't suspect non-fans would either.
It's good driving music.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:46 AM
mylittledemon's Avatar
mylittledemon mylittledemon is offline
Moderator
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8,512
Default

haha, yeah you might have a point there. I'm just stepping outside of my Stevie-fandom though and trying to think of how I'd react if that was the first song I heard. Would it make me go... "Oh, I have to buy that record!" I dunno.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:49 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mylittledemon View Post
haha, yeah you might have a point there. I'm just stepping outside of my Stevie-fandom though and trying to think of how I'd react if that was the first song I heard. Would it make me go... "Oh, I have to buy that record!" I dunno.
Here is the thing. I have had to drive a lot of long distances this spring and summer becuase of hospitals. I really fell in love with this album on those trips. This album is like listttening to radio. And it is surprising deep. In Your Dreams is Tom Petty is I ever heard it. It comes off as a really good track.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:55 AM
mylittledemon's Avatar
mylittledemon mylittledemon is offline
Moderator
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8,512
Default

I've listened to it a lot too... I'm not disputing that your reasons for liking the song aren't valid. I'm talking about why it isn't a good single.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-16-2011, 02:59 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mylittledemon View Post
I've listened to it a lot too... I'm not disputing that your reasons for liking the song aren't valid. I'm talking about why it isn't a good single.
Well, honestly, it's not my favorite. And Im guilty of trying to figure out what would others like, but I think dj's would like this song. There are many songs on the album that would make goood singles but they need cut down.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-16-2011, 03:12 AM
mylittledemon's Avatar
mylittledemon mylittledemon is offline
Moderator
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8,512
Default

I think Moonlight is a great single but it takes 90 seconds to get going...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-16-2011, 03:17 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mylittledemon View Post
I think Moonlight is a great single but it takes 90 seconds to get going...
Your right about that. It's not the only onee. Italian Summer would make a great sngle too, if they chopped a minute of it. The people I let listen to the album always point that song out but say it's too long. Same with Annabelle Lee. The songs on this album are really good but many are too long including Ghosts are Gone.

Look what radio edit did for For What it is Worth. Much punchiier and too point. Better song.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:08 AM
StandbackStevie's Avatar
StandbackStevie StandbackStevie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: West Hartford, Connecticut
Posts: 1,220
Default

I don't think Stevie would peform Italian Summer live for some reason but I could see the next single being Annabelle Lee or Moonlight would be another single down the road.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:10 AM
StandbackStevie's Avatar
StandbackStevie StandbackStevie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: West Hartford, Connecticut
Posts: 1,220
Default

It will interesting what she will sing on Good Morning America in Central Park on Friday Aug.26th. they usually sing a couple of songs on there I think 3 songs if I am right so my guess would be 2 new songs and a classic.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:23 AM
darklinensuit's Avatar
darklinensuit darklinensuit is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 9,946
Default

Feh, I'm not that impressed by "Italian Summer" as a single. The repetitive lyrics hardly showcase her songwriting skills,, her voice sounds powerful but not as beautiful as on some other tracks, and I'm sick of her being marketed along the a/c route.

"In Your Dreams" is indeed quite radio-friendly. Because it sounds like a Tom Petty song, I think it could do well. More importantly, unlike many of her other recent rock songs, IYD has a great, solid vocal from start to finish - power, vibrato, timing. Her mature voice tends to sound either flat or strained on at least parts of almost every rock song she has done since the mid-90s. Not on this one. Additionally, the lyrics are distinct enough to be Stevie-esque without being too weird for the general public. Quite a balancing act. But yeah, when this song was dropped from the tour, I figured that meant it would not be a single. Dumb. This one and TISL, of all Stevie's solo title tracks, could have done well on radio, but her people went for a/c singles like "Every Day" and "Secret Love".

As I've said before, "Moonlight" will be fine (or at least more appropriate to radio constraints) if they cut the 1st 40-some seconds out & start with the "She's lonely..." part. If they start editing songs down, I think "Wide Sargasso Sea" could do great without most of the first verse: as I've said, start with the first "Even though they were so in love..." WSS & "New Orleans" are songs I always come back to - I wish the latter could have been a single.

- Jake
__________________
“The hair went from perm to growing out perm to really bad growing out perm to almost straight to good straight to long straight to beautiful straight to a lot of work straight back to the perm.”
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:26 AM
Jondalar's Avatar
Jondalar Jondalar is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by darklinensuit View Post
Feh, I'm not that impressed by "Italian Summer" as a single. The repetitive lyrics hardly showcase her songwriting skills,, her voice sounds powerful but not as beautiful as on some other tracks, and I'm sick of her being marketed along the a/c route.

"In Your Dreams" is indeed quite radio-friendly. Because it sounds like a Tom Petty song, I think it could do well. More importantly, unlike many of her other recent rock songs, IYD has a great, solid vocal from start to finish - power, vibrato, timing. Her mature voice tends to sound either flat or strained on at least parts of almost every rock song she has done since the mid-90s. Not on this one. Additionally, the lyrics are distinct enough to be Stevie-esque without being too weird for the general public. Quite a balancing act. But yeah, when this song was dropped from the tour, I figured that meant it would not be a single. Dumb. This one and TISL, of all Stevie's solo title tracks, could have done well on radio, but her people went for a/c singles like "Every Day" and "Secret Love".

As I've said before, "Moonlight" will be fine (or at least more appropriate to radio constraints) if they cut the 1st 40-some seconds out & start with the "She's lonely..." part. If they start editing songs down, I think "Wide Sargasso Sea" could do great without most of the first verse: as I've said, start with the first "Even though they were so in love..." WSS & "New Orleans" are songs I always come back to - I wish the latter could have been a single.

- Jake
Therein lies the problem. A lot of the songs could be better if they were cut. I really like this album. I haven't grown tired or thrown it away like other albums. It's a good album. Bring out the best points of some of the songs by cutting them.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:35 AM
darklinensuit's Avatar
darklinensuit darklinensuit is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 9,946
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jondalar View Post
Therein lies the problem. A lot of the songs could be better if they were cut. I really like this album. I haven't grown tired or thrown it away like other albums. It's a good album. Bring out the best points of some of the songs by cutting them.
For me the length of the tracks on the album is not a problem at all. I suggest editing only because stations don't play the longer tracks as singles unless the artist is seen as huge/current.
Album-wise I'm more bothered by songs where the vocal could be better (I'm speaking to you, FWIW chorus) or where the emphasis is on instruments rather than vocal - "Ghosts are Gone" is the big offender here. Nothing wrong with it the way it is, but IMO a Stevie solo song should showcase Stevie. You want to showcase the guitar over the vocal, put it on a Mac album. Even Edge, with its great riff, keeps the focus on the vocal. When I listen to GAG, I add lyrics to the guitar riff, especially at the start & then especially when it kicks in near the end: "To track a ghost through the fog, now the ghosts are gone." In my head I hear Sharon & Lori with Stevie.

- Jake
__________________
“The hair went from perm to growing out perm to really bad growing out perm to almost straight to good straight to long straight to beautiful straight to a lot of work straight back to the perm.”
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-16-2011, 04:41 AM
RockALittle250's Avatar
RockALittle250 RockALittle250 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,478
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by darklinensuit View Post
Feh, I'm not that impressed by "Italian Summer" as a single. The repetitive lyrics hardly showcase her songwriting skills,, her voice sounds powerful but not as beautiful as on some other tracks, and I'm sick of her being marketed along the a/c route.

"In Your Dreams" is indeed quite radio-friendly. Because it sounds like a Tom Petty song, I think it could do well. More importantly, unlike many of her other recent rock songs, IYD has a great, solid vocal from start to finish - power, vibrato, timing. Her mature voice tends to sound either flat or strained on at least parts of almost every rock song she has done since the mid-90s. Not on this one. Additionally, the lyrics are distinct enough to be Stevie-esque without being too weird for the general public. Quite a balancing act. But yeah, when this song was dropped from the tour, I figured that meant it would not be a single. Dumb. This one and TISL, of all Stevie's solo title tracks, could have done well on radio, but her people went for a/c singles like "Every Day" and "Secret Love".

As I've said before, "Moonlight" will be fine (or at least more appropriate to radio constraints) if they cut the 1st 40-some seconds out & start with the "She's lonely..." part. If they start editing songs down, I think "Wide Sargasso Sea" could do great without most of the first verse: as I've said, start with the first "Even though they were so in love..." WSS & "New Orleans" are songs I always come back to - I wish the latter could have been a single.

- Jake
I agree with just about everything you said here, except that WSS is too meandering to be a single. It has a great story, but it's a little too involved to perform well as a single. Secret Love and FWIW display great songwriting and logistically, have the song structure that singles are built upon. And IYD absolutely should be on radio, but for some reason, I have a strong feeling that the 3rd single (if there is one) will be Moonlight or Annabel Lee.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE picture

BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE

$49.99



NEW - JOE COCKER - Take Me Home HTF UK CD Single feat. Bekka Bramlett picture

NEW - JOE COCKER - Take Me Home HTF UK CD Single feat. Bekka Bramlett

$7.49



Bekka Bramlett

Bekka Bramlett "I Got News For You" CD In Mint. Shongaloo Records LLC 1707. 2009

$45.00



BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE picture

BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE

$49.75



RARE Fleetwood Mac Dave Mason Bekka Bramlett Era 93 Original WB Press Kit w 8x10 picture

RARE Fleetwood Mac Dave Mason Bekka Bramlett Era 93 Original WB Press Kit w 8x10

$69.99




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved