Say You Will Alternates

[joshywashy377]

I was invited to the Seven Wonders Myspace page and on it was a Thrown Down alternate which was really great. I was wondering if there are any more Say You Will alternates (not demos) such as this. I mean it sounds like it could have come straight off the album. Thanks, Josh.

[foxyluva]

As far as I know, there are no other alternates of this nature. There are single mixes and outtakes however, but nothing too different

[HomerMcvie]

I have the other Thrown Down, too. AFAIK, it's the only "other" mix of any of the SYW songs.

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I have the other Thrown Down, too. AFAIK, it's the only "other" mix of any of the SYW songs.

There's also the solo version of Peacekeeper that Lindsey released Spring 2001.

[gldstwmn]

The other Thrown Down was actually determined to be an outtake from the Trouble In Shangri La sessions.
To date we have only seen in circulation alternate mixes that were created by the fans.
Lindsey's Gifts Of Screws mixes of the Say You Will songs are basically the same with some overdubs and very minor tweaking to these ears.
I would kill to hear Stevie's demo submissions of these songs to the band as, IMO the only song that seemed to get rightful treatment on Say You Will was Destiny Rules.

[foxyluva]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

the only song that seemed to get rightful treatment on Say You Will was Destiny Rules.

I disagree - I think "Illume" was exactly how it should have been, and demonstrated how FM should have sounded in the 21st century

[mylittledemon]

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take, and the main guitar is more "electric"

[joshywashy377]

Yeah the one im talking about is 4:43. Lindsey's on it so i assume its more around the Say You Will time. I also have two thrown down TISL demos. Also i do love Lindseys Peacekeeper, prbly more than the actual one! Thanks guys, Josh C

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take, and the main guitar is more "electric"

I don't think the vocal is different. And the guitar is just a bit more forward in certain parts of the mix.
I should clarify that yes, there were several alternate mixes from Say You Will shipped to radio stations. But I was really addressing the fact that there are no demos or outtakes from the sessions at the Bellagio house and specifically no circulating demos of the Phoenix four songs that were played in the documentary. There are some tracks from Lindsey at the Village Recorder which later wound up on Say You Will. And then of course there is the still unreleased stuff from GOS which I hope he's going to release on this next electric album.

Here is the "cold remix" version of Say You Will produced by Chris Lord Alge. Is this the one you're talking about?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...DE01583EAC51BD

[gldstwmn]

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1955B4653C3F0F

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1955B4653C3F0F

Yes, the chorus of TD was a little different. I think we noticed that in some city.

[Peestie]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1955B4653C3F0F

Ever since I heard this version I've liked it more than the one that turned up on the album (though I still think it kicks serious ass), but the only thing that stops me listening to it more is that it's not as good quality . I just wish there was a lossless version out there. Anyone know if there is?

Actually, on more detailed listening, I don't think it's exactly the same as the one I have (5 seconds shorter and maybe slight differences here and there). The one I heard was the "single mix" and I don't remember where I got it, but I think it was buckinghamnicks.net.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Peestie

The one I heard was the "single mix"

There was no actual "single mix" for "Thrown Down"... that was just the phrase some fans used to distinguish it from the album version.
It's also been called the "Wall of Sound" version.

As gldstwmn pointed out earlier in the thread, it's actually an outtake from the 'Trouble In Shangri-La' sessions.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Peestie

Ever since I heard this version I've liked it more than the one that turned up on the album (though I still think it kicks serious ass), but the only thing that stops me listening to it more is that it's not as good quality . I just wish there was a lossless version out there. Anyone know if there is?

Actually, on more detailed listening, I don't think it's exactly the same as the one I have (5 seconds shorter and maybe slight differences here and there). The one I heard was the "single mix" and I don't remember where I got it, but I think it was buckinghamnicks.net.

I've never come across a lossless version of that version of Thrown Down. I think it originally showed up on a German CD that was shipped to radio stations? Does anyone else remember that?
I like all versions of Thrown Down. I think the one in question would have sounded out of place on Say You Will though. The vocal and big rock sound are more compatible with Trouble In Shangri La, although it didn't quite with that record either.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take....

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't think the vocal is different.

The majority of Stevie's vocals are the same as the album version, but the second line of the second verse ("here is a place that will never be dark -- I remember that place") is either from a different take or was re-recorded.