Stevie versus the Mac.

[wolfontherun]

Her Soundstage was awesome. Waddy surprised me by playing some subtle guitar on a handful of songs. I think he ruins most of the rest of her stuff. I will always prefer her live and recorded stuff with FM. She tends to get lazy and a little too out of hand when solo.

[Edgeof27]

Originally Posted by wolfontherun

Her Soundstage was awesome. Waddy surprised me by playing some subtle guitar on a handful of songs. I think he ruins most of the rest of her stuff. I will always prefer her live and recorded stuff with FM. She tends to get lazy and a little too out of hand when solo.

Stevie is the best, without her the Mac are just a bunch of musicians, (pretty good musicians), but she is the catalyst that turns them into a Super-group.
Back in the day before Buckingham Nicks joined the Mac, Fleetwood Mac were an unbelievably good band.
Buckingham Nicks were also unbelievably good.
So, then, Lyndsey, &, Stevie joined the Mac, well.....you do know what happened next.
Recenty Stevie has been the only one to have any impact touring, with a pretty steady draw on her tours.
If it was not for Stevie this tour would not be happening,
(okay if it was not for Mick, John, Lyndsey, ((ooops -10 for spelling error, sorry Lindsey)), &, Stevie, the tour would not be happening),
but Stevie has to be the key component....g....

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Edgeof27

Stevie is the best, without her the Mac are just a bunch of musicians, (pretty good musicians), but she is the catalyst that turns them into a Super-group.

Now, I see it the other way around. She released all of one album prior to the Mac, they had released twelve studio albums and a Greatest Hits album. She was a nobody when she joined Fleetwood Mac, they were popular enough to play on television. Oh, and Christine McVie had the most hits in the band, including the first hit single. Fleetwood Mac made Stevie a star, not the other way around.

Back in the day before Buckingham Nicks joined the Mac, Fleetwood Mac were an unbelievably good band.
Buckingham Nicks were also unbelievably good.

Maybe, but Fleetwood Mac had the record contract, whereas Buckingham Nicks got dropped after one album. The Mac were popular enough to have recently (at that time) been on television and they had gotten extensive coverage in music mags. Not to mention the big hits they had in Europe during their early years.

So, then, Lyndsey, &, Stevie joined the Mac, well.....you do know what happened next.

Nevermind. The fact that you can't spell Lindsey says all I need to know.

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Nevermind. The fact that you can't spell Lindsey says all I need to know.

lol It's even funnier considering there are several threads on this page with his name in the title too.

[D.W-Suite]

Originally Posted by Edgeof27

Stevie is the best, without her the Mac are just a bunch of musicians, (pretty good musicians), but she is the catalyst that turns them into a Super-group.
Back in the day before Buckingham Nicks joined the Mac, Fleetwood Mac were an unbelievably good band.
Buckingham Nicks were also unbelievably good.
So, then, Lyndsey, &, Stevie joined the Mac, well.....you do know what happened next.
Recenty Stevie has been the only one to have any impact touring, with a pretty steady draw on her tours.
If it was not for Stevie this tour would not be happening,
(okay if it was not for Mick, John, Lyndsey, &, Stevie, the tour would not be happening),
but Stevie has to be the key component....g....

Right right. Can't say I agree with most things you say.

If it wasn't for Mick Fleetwood this tour wouldn't be happening. Considering he has participated in every single Mac tour ever, not Stevie.

I couldn't care less about how Stevie 'draws' people to her tours. Lindsey's (with an i) solo tour recently was friggin' amazing. I'd much rather see him live than her. She didn't make them a super group. When they got big with Buckingham Nicks onboard her role got blown out of proportion IMHO. Lindsey was always a better live performer. And always will be. Also as I said, Stevie's role has gotten blown completely out of proportion (probably because she was the most attractive of the two women in the band). Christine had most of the hits. I could ramble on forever about why I think Stevie is the least talented member. But I couldn't be bothered.

[Regina]

At a very slow time in FM/Stevie/Lindsey history, I once made the very bold statement (right here, on the Ledge) that I would go and listen to Stevie sing the phone book.

Well, I kinda think she took that type of attitude to heart. I love her. I went and saw her in Boston this past year, and she was awesome, as always. And, the one thing that I came away saying is, she feels like "home," to me. BUT, I wasn't chomping at the bit to get to that show, as I had in the past. Because it's a bit too predictable. Yes, she's still a big draw. Of course. She doesn't have fans, she has followers (and I'm one of them). But, I'm not quite as willing to follow multiple times as I was in the past. Not unless she takes chances and "makes" us sit through new stuff we "don't want to hear."

So, yeah, it's FM for me. Because Lindsey WILL challenge her. Maybe not this first leg but the time will come...and complain or not, we will get new material out of her. And if I see one bonehead leave their seats for a beer or to pee during a new song, I may Crazy Glue their ass to their seats. Pee during Dreams. You've heard it 98,542 times before!

[Tango]

Originally Posted by Regina

At a very slow time in FM/Stevie/Lindsey history, I once made the very bold statement (right here, on the Ledge) that I would go and listen to Stevie sing the phone book.

Well, I kinda think she took that type of attitude to heart. I love her. I went and saw her in Boston this past year, and she was awesome, as always. And, the one thing that I came away saying is, she feels like "home," to me. BUT, I wasn't chomping at the bit to get to that show, as I had in the past. Because it's a bit too predictable. Yes, she's still a big draw. Of course. She doesn't have fans, she has followers (and I'm one of them). But, I'm not quite as willing to follow multiple times as I was in the past. Not unless she takes chances and "makes" us sit through new stuff we "don't want to hear."

So, yeah, it's FM for me. Because Lindsey WILL challenge her. Maybe not this first leg but the time will come...and complain or not, we will get new material out of her. And if I see one bonehead leave their seats for a beer or to pee during a new song, I may Crazy Glue their ass to their seats. Pee during Dreams. You've heard it 98,542 times before!

If you run for office, I will vote for you.

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by wolfontherun

Her Soundstage was awesome. Waddy surprised me by playing some subtle guitar on a handful of songs. I think he ruins most of the rest of her stuff. I will always prefer her live and recorded stuff with FM. She tends to get lazy and a little too out of hand when solo.

I don't think Waddy ruins anything, I think he just brings something different along. But then again, I am a fan of Waddy via Warren Zevon, etc, not just because of Stevie.

I went to two Stevie shows this year, and they both rocked my socks, but I haven't seen the Mac live yet (other than my DVDs)...so I will have to wait and see what it's like for me.

I am disappointed I couldn't catch Lindsey's tour for GoS, but I had to choose between Lindsey and Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds...and there was no contest.

[JbbyStew86]

It's like what John Pareles wrote on his review of Tango In The Night:

"The members of Fleetwood Mac are better off together. As solo acts, Nicks is too narcissistic and spacey, McVie too bland, Buckingham too paranoid. Together, at their best, they're Every-lover. Yet even with Buckingham's ingenious arrangements for distraction, Nicks stays pretty insufferable on Tango"

whoops. guess i put too much of the quote in there.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Zombie

I don't think Waddy ruins anything, I think he just brings something different along. But then again, I am a fan of Waddy via Warren Zevon, etc, not just because of Stevie.

I went to two Stevie shows this year, and they both rocked my socks, but I haven't seen the Mac live yet (other than my DVDs)...so I will have to wait and see what it's like for me.

I am disappointed I couldn't catch Lindsey's tour for GoS, but I had to choose between Lindsey and Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds...and there was no contest.

I'm not even a fan of Nick Cave, I can't say I'm very familiar with anything he's done, but I would have made the same choice, if only because people I respect respect him.

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I'm not even a fan of Nick Cave, I can't say I'm very familiar with anything he's done, but I would have made the same choice, if only because people I respect respect him.

Well, my other car is a Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds obsession. I've been a rabid, ridiculous fan since high school, and I'd never before had a chance to see them live, so it was a very monumental occasion for me. One of the best nights of my life, bar none. They are simply magnificent.

Testify!



The guy on violin is Warren Ellis. He's like my own personal Jesus. There are just no words for how much I admire his work.

Sorry for the threadjacking, but I am compelled to preach the Gospel of Cave. My bad. But you will all forgive me if you watch that video, for it is made entirely of amazing.

[trackaghost]

^ I saw Nick Cave live for the first time this year too and he was magnificent.

[gold_dust]

I'll compromise and have Stevie in Fleetwood Mac.

Okay, don't get me wrong. I love, love, love her. But, some of her solo stuff can be a bit...meh. Like the piano version of Rhiannon. It never really got to me in the way the Mac version does. The way everyone rocks out - it's always been a trip for me. I'm willing to bet that if Stevie had had her way, that song would be a total piano-fest right now. I've never been a fan of the piano intro when Stevie did it live. It never really did it for me. Same kind of goes for the Stevie version of If You Were My Love. It's nice - beautiful, even. But the Mac version is absolutely stompin'! The way I see it is that Stevie's songs start off very simple, very pure, and then the Mac come in and add so many layers to it. I can take or leave the demo No Light, yet Planets of the Universe is amazing. The way it builds up is awesome. However, I'm not a fan of the TIS-G version. Never did it for me. The same principle also applied to Storms and Beautiful Child. With Stevie alone, they're sweet, pure songs, but they need the layers that the Mac give them.

I agree that Lindsey challenges her, and to be honest, sometimes I don't think she likes it. Think About It off the Rumours re-issue is my favourite take of it. It's got a little more punch, a little more energy, and carries a funkier tune. The Bella Donna one always seemed a bit placid to me. A little bit lackluster. And even when Stevie's solo stuff is on fire, I've always felt it was because it reminded me more of the Mac, than just Stevie.

Stevie makes great music. But she's a writer - a poet. She's not a musician, and from that point, Lindsey has one up on her. Lindsey is bit of a chameleon. He can do everything. He can write great music and write great lyrics. No one will forget Go Your Own Way in a hurry. Just like no one could forget Dreams, either. Stevie has freely admitted that Dreams was something Lindsey had a hand in dealing with.

The fundamental difference for me is that without the Mac, Lindsey's stuff would've had that same sound. He was writing, creating and producing. He knew the sound he wanted and was dedicated - fanatical, even - in creating it. Without the Mac, Stevie's stuff would've been more melodic. Relied more on atmosphere and creating an image. I think Stevie's known for a long time that having the persona she does can be very profitable. Hence her popularity. But in a way, I've always felt that she's gotten too caught up in that persona and now can't create music without that certain mistique and atmosphere. It can leave her limited. And I think that it also leaves her insecure. It can no longer be simple and pure, yet, just by herself alone, she can't pull off the layers that the Mac add. I remember reading a quote where she begged Bob Dylan to be a part of Just Like A Woman. I personally never thought she needed him there because she was recording his song. I always felt that it was because she needed someone else beside her, to hold her hand, if you will. She's done it with Don Henley and Tom Petty, as well. I personally think she was too scared to actually make it on 'her own', yet she wanted control over her songs and how she did her thing. Which is why I've always thought it was interesting that she referred to Lori and Sharon as 'her band' and not her backing singers. Because in theory, that is what they do. Plenty of bands have extra singers, but how many actually have them pretty much through every album, on album covers, through tours, etc? Not many - they wouldn't want the singers to take the focus from the band to them.

So, on that basis. I'm going with the Mac - Stevie included.

Of course, if Stevie were ever inclined to tour the UK, I may be persuaded to think otherwise...

[dnightshade]

Well said, gold dust. I agree completely.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by gold_dust

The fundamental difference for me is that without the Mac, Lindsey's stuff would've had that same sound. He was writing, creating and producing. He knew the sound he wanted and was dedicated - fanatical, even - in creating it.

As I said on the Christine forum, I noticed the absence of Mick and John more on Out Of The Cradle than I noticed Lindsey's absence on Christine's songs on Time.