Please Die Fighting for My Rights

carrie721 · #1 08-13-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think that indicates that I was asking for comments and/or opinions into that thought process and whether it existed in this thread because the specific post I noted suggested that it did.

well, first of all, personal belief in a higher power is not the same thing as organized religion, so i think it's unfair to say that people who take issue with organized religion do so only because of the followers' belief in a higher power. as i've repeatedly stated in this thread, i am not an atheist. i do not believe in a dude upstairs calling the shots, but i do believe in an inherent connectedness of all things, so it would be silly of me to knock theists (which i believe is the term tower meant to use, rather than deist, which actually refers to a believer of the religion "deism") for holding a related belief.

organized religion is a different issue. i think it can be a dangerous thing and is often used as a weapon. however, billions of people think that christianity, judaism, islam, etc., are the path to their personal truth, and i cannot fault anyone for that. i do not think anyone is an idiot for using religion as a guide. but people who use the teachings of any holy book to scare people into abatement, or justify the subordination of one group to another? idiots.

The Tower · #2 08-13-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

.... so it would be silly of me to knock theists (which i believe is the term tower meant to use, rather than deist, which actually refers to a believer of the religion "deism") for holding a related belief.

Fixed it- got my believers in god confused with my believers in natural power.

carrie721 · #3 08-13-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Fixed it- got my believers in god confused with my believers in natural power.

someone should really keep you in line.

strandinthewind · #4 08-13-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Fixed it- got my believers in god confused with my believers in natural power.

Your slipping

BTW - you do believe in

don't you - "Oh . . . but there was a time when... . . . ."

Sarah · #5 08-13-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

well, first of all, personal belief in a higher power is not the same thing as organized religion, so i think it's unfair to say that people who take issue with organized religion do so only because of the followers' belief in a higher power. as i've repeatedly stated in this thread, i am not an atheist. i do not believe in a dude upstairs calling the shots, but i do believe in an inherent connectedness of all things, so it would be silly of me to knock theists (which i believe is the term tower meant to use, rather than deist, which actually refers to a believer of the religion "deism") for holding a related belief.

organized religion is a different issue. i think it can be a dangerous thing and is often used as a weapon. however, billions of people think that christianity, judaism, islam, etc., are the path to their personal truth, and i cannot fault anyone for that. i do not think anyone is an idiot for using religion as a guide. but people who use the teachings of any holy book to scare people into abatement, or justify the subordination of one group to another? idiots.

do you want me to stand up while i clap, or can i just sit here and do it?

group-thinking scares the hell out of me, and that's why i can't be down with going to "church".

carrie721 · #6 08-13-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

do you want me to stand up while i clap, or can i just sit here and do it?

group-thinking scares the hell out of me, and that's why i can't be down with going to "church".

nah, you can sit. you'll need your strength to blindly do my bidding later on

Sarah · #7 08-13-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

nah, you can sit. you'll need your strength to blindly do my bidding later on

ohhh. riiiiiiiiiight.

good time for the party hat icon.

carrie721 · #8 08-13-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

ohhh. riiiiiiiiiight.

good time for the party hat icon.

don't forget your kool-aid!

Sarah · #9 08-13-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

don't forget your kool-aid!

ohh yeahhhhh.

strandinthewind · #10 08-13-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

well, first of all, personal belief in a higher power is not the same thing as organized religion, so i think it's unfair to say that people who take issue with organized religion do so only because of the followers' belief in a higher power. as i've repeatedly stated in this thread, i am not an atheist. i do not believe in a dude upstairs calling the shots, but i do believe in an inherent connectedness of all things, so it would be silly of me to knock theists (which i believe is the term tower meant to use, rather than deist, which actually refers to a believer of the religion "deism") for holding a related belief.

organized religion is a different issue. i think it can be a dangerous thing and is often used as a weapon. however, billions of people think that christianity, judaism, islam, etc., are the path to their personal truth, and i cannot fault anyone for that. i do not think anyone is an idiot for using religion as a guide. but people who use the teachings of any holy book to scare people into abatement, or justify the subordination of one group to another? idiots.

I have repreatedly stated I am talking about belief in God and not about organized religion

I, also and as mentioned earlier, agree with your post

carrie721 · #11 08-13-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have repreatedly stated I am talking about belief in God and not about organized religion

I, also and as mentioned earlier, agree with your post

oh, i misread what you said: Interestingly, I would like to know how many people here loathe that religion exists at all? I am not talking about money making organized religion. I am talking about the personal belief in a higher power, etc.

i thought you were saying that people loathe that religion exists because of the belief in a higher power.

strandinthewind · #12 08-13-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

oh, i misread what you said: Interestingly, I would like to know how many people here loathe that religion exists at all? I am not talking about money making organized religion. I am talking about the personal belief in a higher power, etc.

i thought you were saying that people loathe that religion exists because of the belief in a higher power.

KEEP UP WHY DON'T YA