Rosie's ching-chong comments

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by amber

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If you're going to call someone a b*tch, just leave it at that, no need to bring their race into it.

Well, see I don't get why someone would call anyone a b*tch....why bring gender into it? I noticed that in my Nano thread, most people said that I should have called the woman a variety of names from b*tch to tw*t to c*nt. I wouldn't have done that because I was raised never to use words like that. Have things changed?

Edit: I also try to stay away from calling anyone a name, period, and prefer to call people out on their actual behavior.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

To be clear: My hatred is reserved for the terrorists. :

Then you really should start being much more clear in your language. When you mean terrorists, say terrorists. Don't say "Muslims" and don't say Muslims (specifically the terrorists). Or, if you really do hate Muslims, then be honest. You've slipped it in so many times, that I do wonder.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Well, see I don't get why someone would call anyone a b*tch....why bring gender into it? I noticed that in my Nano thread, most people said that I should have called the woman a variety of names from b*tch to tw*t to c*nt. I wouldn't have done that because I was raised never to use words like that. Have things changed?

Edit: I also try to stay away from calling anyone a name, period, and prefer to call people out on their actual behavior.

I would have called her a c*nt because that is what I thought she behaved like. Then again, I have no issues with that word, though the fact that many others do makes it even harsher to use, which would have been my point in using it in your situation.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think the reason that this conversation is going the way it is is because white people are sick of losing to some minority who never did a damn thing to deserve the special treatment.

I don't, I think that is how you feel. I think the conversation is going the way it is because it is predominantly white people having the conversation and it is natural to speak about your own experience and to defend yourself, especially in charged discussions.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Then you really should start being much more clear in your language. When you mean terrorists, say terrorists. Don't say "Muslims" and don't say Muslims (specifically the terrorists). Or, if you really do hate Muslims, then be honest. You've slipped it in so many times, that I do wonder.

That is exactly my point. In the beginning, she responded to the question "all Muslims" -- then, when pushed, she slightly differentiated, and now does so wholly.

I suppose we should ask her this question - "Do you dislike or distrust all Muslims?"

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Oh -- but she doesn't do that -- we could ask her, but she says we wouldn't like her answer and she hopes she does not have to say she told us so.

...we do agree on something here.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I suppose we should ask her this question - "Do you dislike or distrust all Muslims?"

I think we should just forget about it.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I don't, I think that is how you feel. I think the conversation is going the way it is because it is predominantly white people having the conversation and it is natural to speak about your own experience and to defend yourself, especially in charged discussions.

It's not just me. Why do you think so many people vote R? I know many who could care a less about abortion, gay rights, blah blah blah -- all they see is their tax money going to help black people who they perceive as being on the public tit with no want to work their way of of it. With programs like Affirmative Action (in the examples above) -- it is hard to argue against that.

Put it this way, a friend of mine FINALLY got the state inspector to come to his Katrina destroyed house. The white inspector told him the reason it took so long was because they were specifically told to help the blacks first. When I heard this, I, like probably you, did not believe it. So, when the time came for my friend to get some public money to fix his place, the assistance was further delayed for that same reason and this time, I heard it with my own two ears.

How is that possibly fair? How could any white person not feel anything but rage about that? Wouldn't you? I can promise you that anyone treated like that is going to hate any governoment in control then - I certainly would. Then, couple that with what you see with minorities automatically getting a leg up no matter how rich or educated they are -- and I think most white people are horrified. I am.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

...we do agree on something here.

We actually often agree -- just not on this shiitte

Also - if I go to SFCA this year, which is likely, we will have to drink lots of hard liquor and discuss these topics. Perhaps I'll hire a pianist and we can sing the arguments.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

We actually often agree -- just not on this shiitte

Also - if I go to SFCA this year, which is likely, we will have to drink lots of hard liquor and discuss these topics. Perhaps I'll hire a pianist and we can sing the arguments.

That would be awesome!

Except I'm a lousy debater in person, and even worse when I'm drunk.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

That would be awesome!

Except I'm a lousy debater in person, and even worse when I'm drunk.

Then, we'll have to find better uses for our mouthes

I am feeling frisky today

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Then, we'll have to find better uses for our mouthes

I am feeling frisky today

It's San Francisco, I'm sure we can come up with something.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by skcin

Do you use that term around black people? If so, how do they react?

My dad is pretty racist. Which I find both sad and amusing since he is an immigrant. I like to point that out to him "hey dad, don't forget, you're a minority too!" He doesn't necessarily hate based on skin color, but he does judge.

well...if I'm close to them and I know it doesn't bother them. I would never say that around someone I didn't know. And believe me, I never use it in a negative manner. It's mostly in songs and the way previously mentioned.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

He's been clear that being of Asian descent gives him latitude to make these kinds of jokes.

I'm still stuck on the fact that white people apparently say the N word in some kind of non-harmful way, like "N word, please". While I get it isn't being used in an intentionally harmful way, I just can't see why any white person would even want to say that word. I kind of don't get why black people use it either, but it's not my community and I don't pretend to know what they should/shouldn't do.

Well, there are a lot of words that offend me, but I'm not going to judge someone if they decide they want to use them. I guess it's just different here. It's used pretty frequently around here, so I guess that's why I feel that way. It's not something that I'm using..as you said-in a harmful way, so

is there a difference in that..and say-a straight person saying words that would usually be considered derogatory towards gays, but because you know the person and know they don't mean anything by it..it's ok.??

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

please note:


I am speaking of the terrorists here. If you dont understand how I can hate the terrorists after 9/11 then I dont know what more to say.......what I said regarding the Moderates was that I felt they could/should do more to control the radical element in their religion. Carrie had responded by saying that we are all responsible for our own actions and that it was not fair to hold a group responsible for the actions of a few (or some). I told her I saw her point.

I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole. If not, then why arent more moderates coming forward and denouncing this crap? Why arent the money sources being dried up? why arent more terrorist hiding places and training camps being exposed? Why are Madrassas always full to the brim? Hatred of the West is rampant in that part of the world and you cant say that my recent change of heart since 9/11 is the cause. As I said before, I had a live and let live attitude until then, and I firmly believe that only the Muslims can bring about the needed changes in this situation.
Its a sure bet these radicals wont listen to anything the West has to say.....

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!