Pres Bill Clinton Bitch Slaps Chris Wallace on FOX - Page 8

strandinthewind · #**106** 09-28-2006, 10:48 AM

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Jason, why are you directing this at me? Of COURSE I read what you posted and if you'll read what I posted you'll see I appreciated Rudy's comments

I dont know much about Rudy, but Im not rabidly against him, so Im not sure why you feel the need to single me out ??? Its Towie who made the negative comments and even you yourself hinted not all is well in Rudy-land

I was not referring you - I was addressing Towie as "Mary" - which is a generic gay term akin to "honey." But, I changed it to avoid confusion

strandinthewind · #**107** 09-28-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

He argues merely for argument's sake even if he agrees with you!

Sit and spin beeyotch

irishgrl · #**108** 09-28-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

He argues merely for argument's sake even if he agrees with you!

ya think?

irishgrl · #**109** 09-28-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I was not referring you - I was addressing Towie as "Mary" - which is a generic gay term akin to "honey." But, I changed it to avoid confusion

alright..........interesting term actually

SuzeQuze · #**110** 09-28-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Sit and spin beeyotch

That's what I get for butting in.

Punk ass.

The Tower · #**111** 09-28-2006, 02:54 PM

Jason- I have I told you how much I love you lately???

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

First of all the terrorist attacks could hardly be described as "lame" - was that a typo? If not, please explain how the deaths of over 3,000 Americans, the destruction of hundreds of millions of property, the tanking of an economy, and the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths in the Middle East is lame.

It was not a typo. The whole thing was/is lame. The terrorists accomplished exactly what they wanted to do. The loss of life was horrendous. However, the only way the terrorists would succeed is for the American public to react to the attack based on the visceral emotions of 3,000 people dying.

Because of the american public playing into the hands of the terrorists, it allowed an evil administration to do its evil work. Because of the weakness of the american public, because it could stand up and say "It doesn't matter that you did this- we will not lower ourselves to your level by resorting to violence and perpetuating the never-ending cycle of bitterness and war.". Because the american public did not say "The world did not change on this day because of the actions of a handful of people- there were evil terrorists before this day and there will be evil terrorists after this day and we will not let your actions change who we are."

Because of those things, the american public allowed the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, not to mention the deaths of an additional 3,000 americans in an invasion of a sovereign nation based on lies and evildoing.

Because of those things, there is an entire generation of people who now see the U.S.A. as a nation of evil- as a nation of aggressors.

The american public saw those evil acts and reacted with fear and retribution. Exactly what the terrorists wanted. Exactly. Which is why it is lame.

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Second -

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would see I was speaking in comparative terms. In other words, I do not see a D candidate who has a better chance of winning than RG and RG is good on many social issues that the far religious right is oppressive on.

The problem I have with Rudy is that he is a moralistic hypocrite. I don't think government leaders should espouse the notion that suppression of the arts is acceptable. I also don't think that government leaders should blab on about morality while breaking those same "moral values". Granted, no one is perfect (certainly not me)- however, Rudy was no rose up until 09/11. He rallied New York together and was there for them and did his job well as the mayor during those times. But, I don't think that gives him a pass on his previous actions and that certainly doesn't warrant my support for him as a candidate for public office. It is possible for charismatic, likeable people to not be good candidates.

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So, I get that he defended the cops in the tragic death of that guy, he refused to fund shiitte as art, and his use of police zones cut crime by like half - but comparatively I can live with those when compared to a person like Romney, Frist, or Santorum. Can you honestly say you can't either? And, it will come down to that I think, though I hope not.

I would rather not support ANY republicans.

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As for the D's the only one I like so far is John Edwards and I do not think he can win. Hillary is an interesting choice and she could possibly win, but it would take luck in addition to her alleged $300 million war chest and please note that other than on partial birth abortion, she is hardly different than RG and he is not a kiss a$$ say anything to get elected sow like she is?

I don't support Hillary Clinton. I love her husband, though.

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Also and to correct you because you need a little come uppence dear - RG's history on gay issues is stellar compared to most D's you support. I mean the man lived with a gay male couple, marched in gay rights parades, and dressed in drag on several occasions. So, my support of him hardly makes me a gay Uncle Tom.

I was a little blustery with the "Gay Uncle Tom" thing. Sorry it was so jabby. Some of your comments have seemed so Clarence Thomas-ey to me lately <---- no offense!!! Just an overall generalization. Sorry. I've been in such an ennui malaise blah, blah, blah, that I'm really not taking the time to express myself properly at times.

strandinthewind · #**112** 09-28-2006, 03:35 PM

Did you at least get the Mr. Shelby reference beeyotch

Also - I agree, I'd rather never vote for any current R because although I may think one like RG is relatively better - his being in power fuels the far religious right and that I never want to do

Speaking of Clarence "pubic hair on a coke can" Thomas - he is speaking here and I have been invited. I am considering wearing me in that outfit I sent you only in blackface and with a fro.

BlackWidow · #**113** 09-30-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bikerchic

As much as I hate Bush, I have to put more blame on Clinton for not getting Osama

Oh Pleeeeeezzzzzeee!!!!!!!!

strandinthewind · #**114** 09-30-2006, 07:56 PM

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Oh Pleeeeeezzzzzeee!!!!!!!!

esp. considering OBL was not that much of a threat to us in that he had not organized the flying of planes into our buildings to the tune of like 3,000 dead. I get that the Cole was bad, but W did nada to get OBL after that and once he took office. He was too focused on Iraq, which every single person told him was not that much of a threat when compared to OBL and Al-Q. I think it is important to remember that OBL and Al-Q were fledglings throughout most of the Clinton era, which was Clinton's point in that interview and one which the interviewer essentiall scoffed at

Again, Clinton made mistakes and there is no question in my mind that the Lewinsky deal distracted him -- but he did catch, prosecute, and kill terrorists

BlackWidow · #**115** 10-04-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

esp. considering OBL was not that much of a threat to us in that he had not organized the flying of planes into our buildings to the tune of like 3,000 dead. I get that the Cole was bad, but W did nada to get OBL after that and once he took office. He was too focused on Iraq, which every single person told him was not that much of a threat when compared to OBL and Al-Q. I think it is important to remember that OBL and Al-Q were fledglings throughout most of the Clinton era, which was Clinton's point in that interview and one which the interviewer essentiall scoffed at

Again, Clinton made mistakes and there is no question in my mind that the Lewinsky deal distracted him -- but he did catch, prosecute, and kill terrorists

All I know is Bush is the worst President in U.S. History and nothing will ever change that FACT!