CHRISTINE MCVIE Legacy Celebrated ... FLEETWOOD MAC PAYS TRIBUTE

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

If they're going to choose covers over Fleetwood Mac material, why are they going out as Fleetwood Mac?

I think you're missing the point that it's not just the absence of one member that has caused people to call it "Fakewood"

The same reason they played “I’d Rather Go Blind,” “Get Like You Used To Be,” “Don’t Let Me Down Again,” and (briefly) “Frozen Love.”

Also, “Tear It Up,” “The Bigger the Love,” “We Just Disagree,” “Only You Know & I Know,” “Feelin’ Alright,” and “Dear Mr. Fantasy.”

ETA: And “Stand Back,” “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You,” “Go Insane” (OOTC tour acoustic version), and “Go Insane” (full band version).

Not to mention they rerecorded a Buckingham Nicks song on a studio album.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

The same reason they played “I’d Rather Go Blind,” “Get Like You Used To Be,” “Don’t Let Me Down Again,” and (briefly) “Frozen Love.”

Also, “Tear It Up,” “The Bigger the Love,” “We Just Disagree,” “Only You Know & I Know,” “Feelin’ Alright,” and “Dear Mr. Fantasy.”

ETA: And “Stand Back,” “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You,” “Go Insane” (OOTC tour acoustic version), and “Go Insane” (full band version).

Not to mention they rerecorded a Buckingham Nicks song on a studio album.

One difference is that the previous lineups that played solo or other band songs in a FM set before 2018 had actually made music with Fleetwood Mac.

I wouldn't have wanted to hear these songs but those three covers could've been Lay It All Down, The Green Manalishi, and Jewel-Eyed Judy. I would've wanted Crystal, Angel (Stevie), and Straight Back, but that wouldn't have been fair.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

One difference is that the previous lineups that played solo or other band songs in a FM set before 2018 had actually made music with Fleetwood Mac.

That’s pretzel logic spin. Those songs were from works that were initially recorded external from Fleetwood Mac. There is no differentiation.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s pretzel logic spin. Those songs were from works that were initially recorded external from Fleetwood Mac. There is no differentiation.

It's not spin. It's an opinion. Please be respectful and not combative.

Also, as you've said, the 2018 Tour was a 50th Anniversary Tour. Crowded House, Split Enz, and Tom Petty songs had no relevance in a setlist presenting the 50 Years of Fleetwood Mac's recordings.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

It's not spin. It's an opinion. Please be respectful and not combative.

Also, as you've said, the 2018 Tour was a 50th Anniversary Tour. Crowded House, Split Enz, and Tom Petty songs had no relevance in a setlist presenting the 50 Years of Fleetwood Mac's recordings.

It’s absolutely spin. You’re trying to differentiate Fleetwood Mac playing works that a member recorded outside of Fleetwood Mac when it’s the exact same thing.

Fleetwood Mac has been doing that since Christine joined the band.

When Mick did that interview in 2017, he said he’s always felt Lindsey and Stevie should be doing a Buckingham Nicks som and Christine a blues song, so even with it being Fleetwood Mac’s 50th Anniversary, it was never etched in stone that that’s all they were going to be playing. Fleetwood Mac has never been that rigid.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It’s absolutely spin. You’re trying to differentiate Fleetwood Mac playing works that a member recorded outside of Fleetwood Mac when it’s the exact same thing.

Fleetwood Mac has been doing that since Christine joined the band.

How is it spin when it is true that when members of FM performed external works in an FM setlist, those members had performed or made new music with Fleetwood Mac?

You're denying a fact.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

When Mick did that interview in 2017, he said he’s always felt Lindsey and Stevie should be doing a Buckingham Nicks som and Christine a blues song, so even with it being Fleetwood Mac’s 50th Anniversary, it was never etched in stone that that’s all they were going to be playing. Fleetwood Mac has never been that rigid.

Was it planned as a 50 Year Anniversary Tour when Lindsey was still attached to the tour?

But the difference with Mick wanting a BN song and Christine doing one of her recordings is that Chris, Stevie, and Lindsey made albums in FM. So it's part of the story of the band. Mike and Neil joined a band with no new music to play. It's not Mike and Neil's fault.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Was it planned as a 50 Year Anniversary Tour when Lindsey was still attached to the tour?

Yes. They had the comp coming out.

But the difference with Mick wanting a BN song and Christine doing one of her recordings is that Chris, Stevie, and Lindsey made albums in FM.

What about when Dave Mason was in the band? Time was released after they’d completed their tour dates?

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

The same reason they played “I’d Rather Go Blind,” “Get Like You Used To Be,” “Don’t Let Me Down Again,” and (briefly) “Frozen Love.”

Also, “Tear It Up,” “The Bigger the Love,” “We Just Disagree,” “Only You Know & I Know,” “Feelin’ Alright,” and “Dear Mr. Fantasy.”

ETA: And “Stand Back,” “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You,” “Go Insane” (OOTC tour acoustic version), and “Go Insane” (full band version).

Not to mention they rerecorded a Buckingham Nicks song on a studio album.

The idea that you keep doing this, comparing crap from 1970, 1975, or 1990 to anything in 2018 is ridiculous. It was completely different. These were active bands! This wasn’t a new band. This band did nothing but play live shows. Nobody will ever remember the 2018-19 iteration of this band as nothing but a complete footnote on the Fleetwood Mac story. There was no reason for this abrupt change other than placating ONE PERSON and their ego.

And at the end of the day, Christine is friggin dead and the band is done! That is how it ended. With a cobbled together set of players who have no connection to the band’s DNA doing covers of a guy who was in the band EARLIER THAT YEAR and bringing in their own songs to fill out a set. And for many, me included, this is why I hated this from day 1. I had a bad feeling, at their ages, that something would happen that would ever prevent that true final reconvening. Admittedly my money was on the other McVie initially. And then Lindsey. I didn’t think it would be Chris but here we are.

So I’m glad people enjoyed hearing Stevie sing BMW, I Got You, Neil Finn singing GYOW, and of course, the two poignant moments of the show - Don’t Dream It’s Over and Free Fallin’. For me, it forever tarnished the band and their legacy and prevented any sort of proper ending. This band and the music is the soundtrack to so many of our lives. This isn’t about Lindsey either - I’m a FM fan first and foremost and long have said that the five of them needed each other and have always been 10x better together than their best solo work.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jmn3

The idea that you keep doing this, comparing crap from 1970, 1975, or 1990 to anything in 2018 is ridiculous. It was completely different.

Sorry, but “Crazy ‘Bout You Baby,” “Get Like You Used To Be,” “I’d Rather Go Blind,” “Stand Back,” “Go Insane,” and “Don’t Let Me Down Again” are as much Fleetwood Mac songs as “Don’t Dream It’s Over” or “Free Falling.”

Hypothetically, if the band had brought back Dave Mason and played “We Just Disagree,” “Only You Know & I Know,” and “Feelin’ Alright,” would that been okay? He was a member of Fleetwood Mac and released an album with them.

What if they brought Billy back, but he only did “Don’t Say No,” “Tangled Up In Texas,” and “Ain’t Got The Heart” in addition to the Lindsey songs, would people have been okay?

See, this is why I call BS. Fleetwood Mac did what it always did whenever they brought in someone new. The problem wasn’t the songs, the problem was the situation and the reaction would have been the same regardless.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Hypothetically, if the band had brought back Dave Mason and played “We Just Disagree,” “Only You Know & I Know,” and “Feelin’ Alright,” would that been okay? He was a member of Fleetwood Mac and released an album with them.

What if they brought Billy back, but he only did “Don’t Say No,” “Tangled Up In Texas,” and “Ain’t Got The Heart” in addition to the Lindsey songs, would people have been okay.

Yes! Just no to the Lindsey songs.

And Dave did those songs, maybe not all when they did Time songs in concert.

Billy did Tear It Up when they were performing Tango songs.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Yes! Just no to the Lindsey songs.

What about “Blue Letter?”

Billy did Tear It Up when they were performing Tango songs.

Well, he recorded a version with The Zoo that had Christine on keyboards, so it had a connection to Fleetwood Mac.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

What about “Blue Letter?”

Since Lindsey, Stevie, or Christine didn't write it, I'll say fine. But I think Rick or Billy songs should've been performed instead of Lindsey's.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Well, he recorded a version with The Zoo that had Christine on keyboards, so it had a connection to Fleetwood Mac.

I support Billy doing Tear It Up because new music was being performed in the same setlist.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Fleetwood Mac did what it always did whenever they brought in someone new.

It's true, but actually whenever they brought in someone new, the band was performing new music in their setlist. With Mike and Neil, they weren't.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

It's true, but actually whenever they brought in someone new, the band was performing new music in their setlist. With Mike and Neil, they weren't.

But that has nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac playing non-Fleetwood Mac songs. That’s a different discussion.