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[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

That was soooooooo good, I could watch over and over. Why can't they just get along like they appear to in this video? She seems to be really mad at him right now. Like the tour in '09. They got along better on the tour in '13. She said they had worked everything out and were the best of friends. What the heck happened to make her so mad right now?

This is nothing different. Same pattern every tour. When she's promoting solo work, she'll often publicly distance herself from FM and LB - though there are plenty of IYD and TISL quotes where she doesn't, it must be said. Then they'll have a 'talk' or a 'reconciliation'. Then the tour starts and it'll usually be up and down emotionally (bar 2013 - the grand exception, which was pretty much a 100% lovefest). Then the tour ends and Stevie will whine and distance herself again. The same thing here, except that she's doing it WHILE a tour is on, making it even more incongruous.

'We argue', 'we don't agree on anything', etc aren't really harbingers of doom. Even in 2013 she acknowledged onstage that "even though we argue, the love is always still there." It's always been like that. She'll change her mind on whether they're publicly friends or not from interview to interview, too. Just like in 2009, a few quotes in a magazine don't sum everything up. They've ret-conned Unleashed as COMPLETELY 'neutral' as of 2013 and yet there are plenty of pictures and videos which suggest that that doesn't tell the whole story. The same thing this year. Yes, there are shows where things are 'off' and she's a bit miffed or, at least, not as enthusiastic but 1) that's how it's always been 2) it doesn't negate the positivity or closeness of other gigs on the tour 3) I don't think he's always the cause of issues she has

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

This is nothing different. Same pattern every tour. When she's promoting solo work, she'll often publicly distance herself from FM and LB - though there are plenty of IYD and TISL quotes where she doesn't, it must be said. Then they'll have a 'talk' or a 'reconciliation'. Then the tour starts and it'll usually be up and down emotionally (bar 2013 - the grand exception, which was pretty much a 100% lovefest). Then the tour ends and Stevie will whine and distance herself again. The same thing here, except that she's doing it WHILE a tour is on, making it even more incongruous.

'We argue', 'we don't agree on anything', etc aren't really harbingers of doom. Even in 2013 she acknowledged onstage that "even though we argue, the love is always still there." It's always been like that. She'll change her mind on whether they're publicly friends or not from interview to interview, too. Just like in 2009, a few quotes in a magazine don't sum everything up. They've ret-conned Unleashed as COMPLETELY 'neutral' as of 2013 and yet there are plenty of pictures and videos which suggest that that doesn't tell the whole story. The same thing this year. Yes, there are shows where things are 'off' and she's a bit miffed or, at least, not as enthusiastic but 1) that's how it's always been 2) it doesn't negate the positivity or closeness of other gigs on the tour 3) I don't think he's always the cause of issues she has

You are right. I do feel like it's a roller coaster ride when reading/watching/listening to her interviews. I just want to tell her to "grow up and play nice."

[sleepless child]

I love it. Can't wait to see the website.

[SpyNote]

Thanks for everything you do, Nicole. It doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated.

[Tusky]

Lovely thanks Nicole

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Then the tour starts and it'll usually be up and down emotionally (bar 2013 - the grand exception, which was pretty much a 100% lovefest).

I think they all knew in 2013 that Christine was coming back, or was at least in the process of coming back. The writing was pretty clearly on the wall even before that tour began. If Christine wanted to make music and had apparently gotten over her fear of flying (as well as the other issues that haven't been mentioned), then it was obvious what the next step was.

[teedeerocks]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I think they all knew in 2013 that Christine was coming back, or was at least in the process of coming back. The writing was pretty clearly on the wall even before that tour began. If Christine wanted to make music and had apparently gotten over her fear of flying (as well as the other issues that haven't been mentioned), then it was obvious what the next step was.

Absolutely!At the end of the 2013 tour,Stevie said during her outro that they would be back next year.Since when do they tour 2 years in a row?Another issue completely - in re-watching Stevie's emotional "Say Goodbye" performance at MGM - I know that she shed real tears but she is such a drama queen and 'in the moment' when she's onstage that she can make herself cry.But I noticed that just as Lindsey started to say "I'm going to dedicate this.....",Stevie walked out from behind the microphone and went to the front of the stage and practically bowed to the crowd even before Lindsey said her name.At first I was like "awww!",but then I was like "hmmmm-wait a minute....."What do you guys think?Am I just overly suspicious b/c Mama is sooo full of s**t most of the time?

[teedeerocks]

Originally Posted by teedeerocks

Absolutely!At the end of the 2013 tour,Stevie said during her outro that they would be back next year.Since when do they tour 2 years in a row?Another issue completely - in re-watching Stevie's emotional "Say Goodbye" performance at MGM - I know that she shed real tears but she is such a drama queen and 'in the moment' when she's onstage that she can make herself cry.But I noticed that just as Lindsey started to say "I'm going to dedicate this.....",Stevie walked out from behind the microphone and went to the front of the stage and practically bowed to the crowd even before Lindsey said her name.At first I was like "awww!",but then I was like "hmmmm-wait a minute....."What do you guys think?Am I just overly suspicious b/c Mama is sooo full of s**t most of the time?

Here is the intro/performance of SG.What I'm referring to starts at about 1:45 http://youtu.be/_GqmYqH6NK8

[SteveMacD]

I think she just got caught up in the moment. John was still dealing with his cancer diagnosis, and as mentioned, it was pretty obvious that when they came back "next year" that Christine was going to be in the band. So that was pretty much their last public performance with that particular incarnation of the band.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I think she just got caught up in the moment. John was still dealing with his cancer diagnosis, and as mentioned, it was pretty obvious that when they came back "next year" that Christine was going to be in the band. So that was pretty much their last public performance with that particular incarnation of the band.

I believe John found out about the diagnosis in Germany, right? We don't really have footage from the next two shows in Herning or Oslo but we do from the next two, the final shows of the European tour. It was quite interesting, seeing what the possible impact of that was on them. They both leapt to making dedications. To each other. It hadn't happened before on the tour, and only happened for the last European shows, and then Vegas.

STOCKHOLM, SAY GOODBYE (10.23.2013)
This is a song that I wrote a few years back, um, maybe ten years ago for the Say You Will album. And, um, I think it's safe to say that it was written at a time when much of the turmoil and underpinnings that fueled our early time in Fleetwood Mac, all of that was behind us as are many of the illusions that we might have held onto. Um, we're coming to the very end of our European tour. This is the second to last show and, um, this is something that Stevie and I do. By ourselves. It's a song I wrote about Stevie and, um -

You know, I've known Stevie since I was about sixteen years old - [audience member calls out] Ha, yeah, last year, he says. Yeah. Thank you for that. And, uh, you know, we've been down a long, long road together and there are times when maybe you just keep taking it for granted and think it's never going to end. But I'm realizing now, you know, that we are getting to a point where you can't really take anything for granted. And I'm just going to dedicate this - as we come to the end of this leg of the tour, the end of this cycle of touring very soon - I'm going to dedicate this song to Stevie. This is called Say Goodbye.

AMSTERDAM, LANDSLIDE (10.26.2013)
But secondly, besides that, I would like to dedicate this song to my band. I'd like to dedicate this song to Fleetwood Mac. And I don't know if Lindsey can hear me -
[Stevie turns to face Lindsey, back to the audience]
Can you hear me? So, okay, so I'm, tonight I'm going to dedicate Landslide to our band. So I want to dedicate it to Fleetwood Mac. And I'm also going to dedicate it to you, Lindsey. *voice cracks* For all the wonderful things you have done for me. For teaching me the little guitar pick that is in Landslide, that I would never have known if it had not been for you. And all the really wonderful music that you have brought into my life. And just for being a wonderful friend all these years. And, um, I just want you to know that, even though we argue, the love is always still there.

[teedeerocks]

Thanks Nicole for the stills -they're really helpful.You can see the actual facial expressions that aren't visible in videos.Also thanks for the text.I'm glad I was mistaken about this b/c it really pulled on my heartstrings when I saw it and to find out it was a fraud would have been a real bummer.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by teedeerocks

Absolutely!At the end of the 2013 tour,Stevie said during her outro that they would be back next year.Since when do they tour 2 years in a row?Another issue completely - in re-watching Stevie's emotional "Say Goodbye" performance at MGM - I know that she shed real tears but she is such a drama queen and 'in the moment' when she's onstage that she can make herself cry.But I noticed that just as Lindsey started to say "I'm going to dedicate this.....",Stevie walked out from behind the microphone and went to the front of the stage and practically bowed to the crowd even before Lindsey said her name.At first I was like "awww!",but then I was like "hmmmm-wait a minute....."What do you guys think?Am I just overly suspicious b/c Mama is sooo full of s**t most of the time?

I've watched all the Vegas SG videos multiple times. She's not making herself cry. That's genuine; she even tries to control it, and mostly fails. [x] There are often certain songs which trigger her or them; Lindsey had choked slightly on SG a show or two earlier, in fact - he dedicated that one to her as well, which she repaid with an emotional Landslide dedication, IIRC. My impression was back then and still remains that it was especially emotional primarily because they knew it was the last proper gig with just the two of them upfront, doing 'their' thing - Say Goodbye in a few ways, then. It's a very personal song with just them onstage and that, as well as the show, was really ending.

I always got the sense last year that they allowed themselves quite a lot of freedom when it came to personal stuff onstage compared to other occasions. As Stevie emphasised in interviews, she insisted to him that they not be fake, that they remember who they were 'before' and embrace being that 'cute', 'compassionate', 'loving', 'funny' power couple. She moves away from the mic because she realises fairly swiftly that Lindsey is going to dedicate it to her. You can see her shake her head. She wasn't bowing.
http://cat-in-the-dark.tumblr.com/po...few-years-back

He then says that she'll be mad at him but he wanted to do the dedication for her, and that she should just try and do her best. She struggles through it, the 'time within a time' section - as almost always - getting her worked up the most. If you watch other videos, it's quite clear that Lindsey is more than a little teary himself, actually.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/eb94306c2...si8o1_1280.jpg