Stevie & Lindsey Intimacy

[brickney723]

Originally Posted by aprilsrain

Was an incredibly powerful moment on stage. Lindsey DID give a nod to the wife and kids at the show though so I think it's just a stage thing!

Hi, can you give us the details?

As far as the video goes, even though she always says she has no regrets, I think I see it.. I wish somebody had videotaped HIM, I've seen 5436 videos of this song with her reaction only!

[aprilsrain]

Originally Posted by brickney723

Hi, can you give us the details?

As far as the video goes, even though she always says she has no regrets, I think I see it.. I wish somebody had videotaped HIM, I've seen 5436 videos of this song with her reaction only!

I was in about row V. It was a brief shout out to his wife/kids in the middle of one of his speeches, can't remember the exacts. I watched him through most of the song, which he spent mostly locked eyes with her as well though I wasn't close up enough to really see that great in terms of emotional content. I was more focused on listening because it was just so beautiful. Energy/emotion wise the show was the most exciting/memorable at least for me since 97 when Christine was with the group. They seemed a little tighter as a band than in the 2009 tour.

[fleetwoodmeg]

Locked eyes with his wife or Stevie?

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by aprilsrain

I was in about row V. It was a brief shout out to his wife/kids in the middle of one of his speeches, can't remember the exacts. I watched him through most of the song, which he spent mostly locked eyes with her as well though I wasn't close up enough to really see that great in terms of emotional content. I was more focused on listening because it was just so beautiful. Energy/emotion wise the show was the most exciting/memorable at least for me since 97 when Christine was with the group. They seemed a little tighter as a band than in the 2009 tour.

So his wife and kids were there. I was wondering if they were there or not. I still don't see how Kristen can handle it. Even if you say it's all for show, it's still got to hurt to see your husband on stage telling his Ex he loves her and giving beautiful dedications to her.

Whether it's friends or anything else the fact is Lindsey does actually loves Stevie. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. Mick has said it multiple times, Lindsey's has now said it on stage (obviously in front of his wife and kids) and Stevie's alluded to it in past interviews, and she even went as far as to say Lindsey is still sorry they ever broke up and if he had it to do all over again he would do things differently (I'm assuming she got this information from talking directly to Lindsey) and the loving and sweet talk between the two of them has only gotten stronger and stronger as the tour has progressed.

I don't think for one minute that Kristen doesn't like and isn't mad about it, but Lindsey does what he want's to do and you either fall in line or move on.

I've always wondered....how do you explain this all to your kids?? I know you can tell them that it's all for show and Stevie is Daddy's long time "special friend", but it's got to be confusing to them, especially Stella. Stevie comes to your house to work with daddy and is eats dinner with you and your family. Then you get to see daddy up on stage saying I love you Stevie and acting so sweet and loving towards his band mate/friend/ex-girlfriend.

It's a really messed up situation all together. The best thing for both of them when they first broke up would have been for them to just have made a clean break of it and to have never seen each other again, but then we would not have all that great Fleetwood Mac music to listen too.

[WildHearted]

You can love someone without being in love with them. I'm as big of a BN person as anyone, but I don't think there's anything bizarre about telling someone you've known for nearly half a century that you love them (although, it IS especially touching to hear it between the two of them given their roller-coaster history) so I don't think that it would require some grand explanation to his kids. You love lots of people in life, not just people that you date/marry. It's not as if Lindsey's children don't know Stevie and know they've been in a band together forever and I'm sure they probably also know they used to date. I just don't think it would be confusing - she's not a stranger, ya know?

I think they have fun up there messing with each other and being sentimental, and I think there's real love/adoration/annoyance/whatever other feelings behind it - I don't think it's all for show. But MOST of the stuff they do (there are some exceptions - neck kiss? kind of odd), while sweet and cute and all that jazz, I don't find to be totally out-of-line or cause for any sort of concern for his family. But I think I've said before that I'm an inherently emotional/touchy-feely person so maybe to others some of that seems totally weird. Or maybe I'm just becoming immune to the ridiculousness of Stevie & Lindsey's dynamic.

[fleetwoodmeg]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

You can love someone without being in love with them. I'm as big of a BN person as anyone, but I don't think there's anything bizarre about telling someone you've known for nearly half a century that you love them (although, it IS especially touching to hear it between the two of them given their roller-coaster history) so I don't think that it would require some grand explanation to his kids. You love lots of people in life, not just people that you date/marry. It's not as if Lindsey's children don't know Stevie and know they've been in a band together forever and I'm sure they probably also know they used to date. I just don't think it would be confusing - she's not a stranger, ya know?

I think they have fun up there messing with each other and being sentimental, and I think there's real love/adoration/annoyance/whatever other feelings behind it - I don't think it's all for show. But MOST of the stuff they do (there are some exceptions - neck kiss? kind of odd), while sweet and cute and all that jazz, I don't find to be totally out-of-line or cause for any sort of concern for his family. But I think I've said before that I'm an inherently emotional/touchy-feely person so maybe to other's some of that seems totally weird. Or maybe I'm just becoming immune to the ridiculousness of Stevie/Lindsey's dynamic.

Sometimes I start to become immune and then I fall back into the trap

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

You love lots of people in life, not just people that you date/marry. It's not as if Lindsey's children don't know Stevie and know they've been in a band together forever and I'm sure they probably also know they used to date. I just don't think it would be confusing - she's not a stranger, ya know?

I agree with you there are many different kinds of love, but Stevie and Lindsey have a long and extremely documented relationship. When Stevie starts talking about how Lindsey blames Fleetwood Mac of their break up and wishes they had never joined, or the fact that (even now) he's still sorry they broke up and would do things differently if he could.. You have to think that maybe there's more to this relationship than just friendship. If he was/ is happily married or loves Stevie like a friend now, why is Lindsey still have these types of conversations with his ex girlfriend?

Also, (and I maybe totally wrong about this) but I'm not so sure his kids knew that Stevie was their dad's ex girlfriend. When Stevie did her WY story in front of Lindseys wife and kids the first time in May, 2013 she was very careful to retract parts of her story (ex: she didn't say things like... when me and Lindsey moved to LA together or when me and Lindsey lived together in L.A.) and also said she was Lindsey' s "friend" the girlfriend part of the story was dropped ..I originally thought she was being respectful to Lindseys wife and kids,(and maybe she was)but then something seemed to changed because the second time around in July, 2013 when they were in front of Lindseys wife and kids, Stevie all but made Lindsey do the "you have to take my girlfriend too " part of the story.... which to me he seemed very uncomfortable doing.

If his kids were aware that Stevie was Lindsey' s ex girlfriend then I don't see why Stevie changed her story the first time she told it in front of his kids and refered to herself as dad's friend unless the kids didn't know they use to date/live together and as they grew closer throughout the tour though it seems Stevie decided to stop pretending and wanted to be honest and not hide their past relationship anymore though I'm not sure why..

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

I agree with you there are many different kinds of love, but Stevie and Lindsey have a long and extremely documented relationship. When Stevie starts talking about how Lindsey blames Fleetwood Mac of their break up and wishes they had never joined, or the fact that (even now) he's still sorry they broke up and would do things differently if he could.. You have to think that maybe there's more to this relationship than just friendship. If he was/ is happily married or loves Stevie like a friend now, why is Lindsey still have these types of conversations with his ex girlfriend?

No, I don't think you could ever classify Stevie and Lindsey as plain old friends - like you said, there's too much baggage/history/drama between the two of them.

I just don't think any of that negates the possibility of also loving someone in a completely non-romantic way on top of all the messy stuff. I've heard many a divorced couple express sentiments to the same effect.

Also, (and I maybe totally wrong about this) but I'm not so sure his kids knew that Stevie was their dad's ex girlfriend. When Stevie did her WY story in front of Lindseys wife and kids the first time in May, 2013 she was very careful to retract parts of her story (ex: she didn't say things like... when me and Lindsey moved to LA together or when me and Lindsey lived together in L.A.) and also said she was Lindsey' s "friend" the girlfriend part of the story was dropped ..I originally thought she was being respectful to Lindseys wife and kids,(and maybe she was)but then something seemed to changed because the second time around in July, 2013 when they were in front of Lindseys wife and kids, Stevie all but made Lindsey do the "you have to take my girlfriend too " part of the story.... which to me he seemed very uncomfortable doing.

If his kids were aware that Stevie was Lindsey' s ex girlfriend then I don't see why Stevie changed her story the first time she told it in front of his kids and refered to herself as dad's friend unless the kids didn't know they use to date/live together and as they grew closer throughout the tour though it seems Stevie decided to stop pretending and wanted to be honest and not hide their past relationship anymore though I'm not sure why..

I think it's highly, highly unlikely that his children don't know they used to be an item. I've never known any parents to hide the fact that they had other relationships before their marriage from their kids - it'd be pretty pointless and silly if they did. And it seems especially pointless and silly if those people are still a part of their life, and even more pointless and silly if those relationships are public knowledge and heavily discussed, which is the case with Stevie and Lindsey. They probably don't go around talking about it all the time, and Lindsey's children probably don't know a whole bunch of details, but I'd bet my left pinky toe that they're aware.

[CADreaming]

Why is there a question mark in the thread title?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I think it's highly, highly unlikely that his children don't know they used to be an item. I've never known any parents to hide the fact that they had other relationships before their marriage from their kids - it'd be pretty pointless and silly if they did. And it seems especially pointless and silly if those people are still a part of their life, and even more pointless and silly if those relationships are public knowledge and heavily discussed, which is the case with Stevie and Lindsey. They probably don't go around talking about it all the time, and Lindsey's children probably don't know a whole bunch of details, but I'd bet my left pinky toe that they're aware.

Plus, Lindsey's older kids have seen American Idol and Glee and probably saw the FM comments on those shows and it's his son who got Lindsey on TMZ. Will pointed out the cameras to him. If he knows what TMZ is, he knows about celebrity dirt.

They aren't dependent on their parents for their information any longer. Even when Will was much smaller, Lindsey said that the kid asked him about Tusk and then when he passed his bedroom he heard his son listening to Tusk music on his ipod. He was free to download music of his own choosing back when he was just 10 years old. So, I think they probably know anything about their dad's past that they're interested in. It's probably boring to them.

I don't think there's much romantic about SnL interaction these days. I think it had a much less platonic vibe around The Dance than it does now. And I think the SYW tour was tense. But now, it seems like a family show to me. In fact, while I could see Kristen getting upset if Lindsey was making eyes at someone like Vanessa Carlton, when it comes to anyone in FM, if any of the four still want to sleep with him after 30 or 40 years of hearing how they tried to make him use a pick, more power to them.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I think it's highly, highly unlikely that his children don't know they used to be an item. I've never known any parents to hide the fact that they had other relationships before their marriage from their kids - it'd be pretty pointless and silly if they did. And it seems especially pointless and silly if those people are still a part of their life, and even more pointless and silly if those relationships are public knowledge and heavily discussed, which is the case with Stevie and Lindsey. They probably don't go around talking about it all the time, and Lindsey's children probably don't know a whole bunch of details, but I'd bet my left pinky toe that they're aware.

All they have to do is take one look at the cover of BuckinghamNicks.

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I just don't think any of that negates the possibility of also loving someone in a completely non-romantic way on top of all the messy stuff. I've heard many a divorced couple express sentiments to the same effect.

I think it's highly, highly unlikely that his children don't know they used to be an item. I've never known any parents to hide the fact that they had other relationships before their marriage from their kids - it'd be pretty pointless and silly if they did. And it seems especially pointless and silly if those people are still a part of their life, and even more pointless and silly if those relationships are public knowledge and heavily discussed, which is the case with Stevie and Lindsey. They probably don't go around talking about it all the time, and Lindsey's children probably don't know a whole bunch of details, but I'd bet my left pinky toe that they're aware.

It's not that I think Lindsey was/or would hide his past romantic relationship with Stevie from his kids, but they are young and I can't imagine that talking with your kids about your past romance with a current band mate is very comfortable or something you really want to discuss with them when they are only (Stella 9, Lee Lee 13, Will 15). Do you really want to tell any of your kids that young that you lived with (considered yourself married to) a current band mate and then answer all the inevitable questions of what happened from your kids? My bet is the Lindsey would want to delay that discussion for as long as possible, because let's face it, his actions during the first 12 years he was in Fleetwood Mac were not great and I doubt he would really want to discuss all with his kids.

Lindsey also said that none of his kids were really Fleetwood Mac fan's and he wasn't' sure they had even heard a complete album.

I know they go to school and have friends, but I don't think Fleetwood Mac is really big in elementary schools or even junior high/middle school. Maybe they would be well known in high school (Will), but I'm not sure they would know or care enough to find out the history of the band so they could relay the information to Lindsey's kids.

I could see that maybe Lindsey's talked to Will, and Lee Lee about it NOW. Like I said Stevie had to pretty much force him to say the "you have to take my girlfriend too" line of the WY story back in July 2013. So if they didn't know, they do now.

[fleetwoodmeg]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

So his wife and kids were there. I was wondering if they were there or not. I still don't see how Kristen can handle it. Even if you say it's all for show, it's still got to hurt to see your husband on stage telling his Ex he loves her and giving beautiful dedications to her.

Whether it's friends or anything else the fact is Lindsey does actually loves Stevie. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. Mick has said it multiple times, Lindsey's has now said it on stage (obviously in front of his wife and kids) and Stevie's alluded to it in past interviews, and she even went as far as to say Lindsey is still sorry they ever broke up and if he had it to do all over again he would do things differently (I'm assuming she got this information from talking directly to Lindsey) and the loving and sweet talk between the two of them has only gotten stronger and stronger as the tour has progressed.

I don't think for one minute that Kristen doesn't like and isn't mad about it, but Lindsey does what he want's to do and you either fall in line or move on.

I've always wondered....how do you explain this all to your kids?? I know you can tell them that it's all for show and Stevie is Daddy's long time "special friend", but it's got to be confusing to them, especially Stella. Stevie comes to your house to work with daddy and is eats dinner with you and your family. Then you get to see daddy up on stage saying I love you Stevie and acting so sweet and loving towards his band mate/friend/ex-girlfriend.

It's a really messed up situation all together. The best thing for both of them when they first broke up would have been for them to just have made a clean break of it and to have never seen each other again, but then we would not have all that great Fleetwood Mac music to listen too.

I agree! That's who I feel bad for is his kids because people can say its for show, and I'm sure some of it is, but when they get choked up or cry or even Lindsey saying most of his songs are about Stevie has got to count for something!

[fleetwoodmeg]

Originally Posted by brickney723

Hi, can you give us the details?

As far as the video goes, even though she always says she has no regrets, I think I see it.. I wish somebody had videotaped HIM, I've seen 5436 videos of this song with her reaction only!

I see that too, that's what is so upsetting! And now I know his wife was there, I feel extra bad she got so upset

[allie3466]

Stevie couldn't take her eyes off Lindsey the whole night. I honestly didn't look at him much because I ended up planted right at Stevie's feet, and once I was right there it's really hard to look away from her. The pain on her face during Say Goodbye was heartbreaking - she was definitely trying to hold back a full on breakdown, she was shaking a little like she was trying to hold everything in. There's the obvious stuff like the I love you's/"let's go home, Lindsey," and the SG dedication. During the, "I think I had met my match," lyric in Sara, she turned to Lindsey and gestured out to him and he kind of turned and walked over toward her. All kinds of smiles to each other all night, and so much love between them.

When my friends and I got back to our hotel, the power was out in a certain part so we joked that the sparks flying between Stevie and Lindsey broke Vegas, lol.