Obama Getting Americans Hooked On 'Crack Cocaine' Of Health Care Dependency

[diane_k]

Originally Posted by RockawayBlind

Diane, something you need to understand about Tea Partiers: They don't understand facts. They don't believe in evolution, science is a hoax and the mirrors they look into are programmed to show princes and princesses.

Remember, now, this is the same crowd that convinced itself Obama was going to lose badly against Romney, that all the polls that showed Obama was leading were wrong for some reason, that when Ohio was called for Obama (effectively guaranteeing his reelection) they couldn't believe it. They are now convincing themselves Obama, whom they hate so much, created the current situation, but the facts don't bear that out.

The funny thing is some of those delusional people, like Karl Rove, have actually come around. They are now trying to figure out how to slay the monster they created with the know-nothing tea partiers.

Look, you have to choose to be informed in this society where information hits you so fast and from so many places that it makes you dizzy. And if you choose to be informed, you learn, for instance, that a few string-pullers in the Republican Party planned this shutdown for months. It's fact and it's documented. You learn that Democrats gave in on budgeting demands from tea partiers. It's fact and it's document. That this battle started two weeks ago over Obamacare and now has morphed into a battle about the debt ceiling. Again, fact and documented.

Thankfully the tea party adherents, who claim they would have us go back to the 1950s (though what they really mean is pre-civil war times) would have us do away with work safety protections, kill the EPA, reverse civil rights legislation and send everybody who disagrees with them "back to where they came from." They want their country back, they say. The funny thing is, it's not their country. Never was, never will be. America has set an example to the world in bringing lots of different cultures together, melding those cultures, and for the most part succeeding in living peacefully with each other. Tea partiers aren't interested in that. When they claim Obama is racist, for instance, they are looking at one of those special mirrors I mentioned earlier.

It's a perplexing thing, and I fear the only way to solve this issue is going to through some kind of ugly struggle... and the tea partiers will be the first ones to take their guns out.

ALL true. And high f'ing five for putting it so well.

It's also fact that the majority of the TP comes from the fattest, reddest, poorest, most uneducated states in the Union. They follow the person that hollers the loudest, and unfortunately that has never really been a trait of logical people.

I'm really hoping that turtle in a suit (Mitch McConnell as he's known on the street) doesn't get far with taking the caps off of campaign spending limits. God only knows what could happen if the old rich men could throw in as much cash as they wanted. Of course, Sheldon Adelsson's (sp) plan for 2012 didn't really go the way he wanted, so maybe there's hope?

[jwd]

Originally Posted by diane_k

It's also fact that the majority of the TP comes from the fattest, reddest, poorest, most uneducated states in the Union.

Well what are you bitching about Ms. K.? These fat people that you dislike so much! These are the people that you and your party cater to. The fat, lazy asses sitting on their couches all day with free health care, subsidized housing, and food stamps. The only time they do move is to spread their legs so they can produce another offspring that the rest of us can take care of. And this isn't restricted to any one part of the country, it's all over, even in your state Ms. K!

[becca]

Well this went well.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by jwd

These are the people that you and your party cater to. The fat, lazy asses sitting on their couches all day with free health care, subsidized housing, and food stamps.

I feel sorry for you because you think with a venemous mind.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I feel sorry for you because you think with a venemous mind.

I feel sorry for you because you think with a naive mind and can't differentiate between those who need and those who abuse.

[louielouie2000]

Okay, folks... keep it to the issues or this thread will be closed.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by jwd

Well what are you bitching about Ms. K.? These fat people that you dislike so much! These are the people that you and your party cater to. The fat, lazy asses sitting on their couches all day with free health care, subsidized housing, and food stamps. The only time they do move is to spread their legs so they can produce another offspring that the rest of us can take care of.

I'm trying to picture what these people look like in your mind. Can you please describe them in detail to me. Who are they? What people are you referring to?

[Macfanforever]

I just got my copy of RollingStone mag in the mail today.

It looks like they got a good article in the National Affairs section about whats going on down there.

I dont know its available online.

Ill read it tonight.

[becca]

On topic here is the healthcare view from one provider Canada: I first started having a problem just before last Christmas, got on the waitlist to see specialist in January, saw him in April, then in May he decided it was too advanced for him and was put on the list to see another specialist. I saw him in late August and am now waiting for the call to have surgery. Meanwhile the problem is nearing on completely debilitating.

I think concerns about rationing and wait lists are legitimate. I do like that you have choices of providers though which we haven't had here since the early '70s in my part of Canada. I have in the past always had people asking about how they can move to Canada from the U.S. when they find out I am Canadian and am down there, usually they cited healthcare as a main reason, but then they often had ideas that things were covered that in fact aren't (like dental). Over time we have seen many procedures de-listed from what is covered, so in a way we are creeping towards s user pay two tier model.

My previous relationship was with an Alaskan man who was diagnosed with cancer and the costs involved despite having employer insurance was staggering to me and kept us from marrying as planned as I had health costs of my own. He was in the operating room within days of diagnosis however which speed amazed me, and in fact his surgeon was trained in Canada. It's all very complicated. I hope it becomes less political, that part is hard to follow as I know Romney originally promoted the same basic model of affordable care in Massachusetts and then later decided it was terrible for the whole country to have. Very confusing stuff that!

[jwd]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I'm trying to picture what these people look like in your mind. Can you please describe them in detail to me. Who are they? What people are you referring to?

I think this sums it up.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by jwd

I think this sums it up.

The specter of Welfare leaches seems to be the single biggest fear & rallying cry of right wing folks. But have you ever actually known anyone on Welfare? I certainly haven't.

Something most people don't know is that Welfare a.k.a. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has a lifetime limit of 60 months, or 5 years. However, if someone has been on the program 24 months without finding employment, they are kicked out of the program. Some states restrict these programs much more. The moral of the story is: there aren't people who just live their entire lives on Welfare.

[Macfanforever]

I never collected from any of those programs except for unemployment comp.



Some people beat the system and abuse it and get away with it and ruin it for the people that are really in need for it.

They are clamping down on those issues and limit the needs in some states like mentioned.


Note on that video.I thought I was fat.I got keep walking.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

The specter of Welfare leaches seems to be the single biggest fear & rallying cry of right wing folks. But have you ever actually known anyone on Welfare? I certainly haven't.

Something most people don't know is that Welfare a.k.a. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has a lifetime limit of 60 months, or 5 years. However, if someone has been on the program 24 months without finding employment, they are kicked out of the program. Some states restrict these programs much more. The moral of the story is: there aren't people who just live their entire lives on Welfare.

I most certainly do know of someone on welfare.

You speak of one program, there are many welfare programs. Some welfare statistics:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

[becca]

They used to do the divide and conquer thing in Canada too about cheats... there are always going to be some in any system, meanwhile while you're looking down at somebody somewhere scarpering with that $200 you won't be looking up at the ones getting the $2mill!

It's off topic though, I was kind of hoping to hear more about the affordable care act and experiences with it now it's arrived. I know some people who are putting off deciding what they will do. Hopefully any kinks will get worked out soon. I pay through the nose right now to get extended coverage for when I'm in the U.S., wonder if that would get better? It's even worse since I've had an existing condition (didn't even want to think about entering when it was undiagnosed) but now I'm not able to travel at all well anyway. Hope that will change too.