Queen of Pop?

[Silver Springs]

Originally Posted by Heartboy

This thread has way to much hate!

Nah. Just opinion

[mezzoforte]

Eh, half of America thinks my favorite singer is an overweight old lady who sounds like a goat. Taste is completely subjective. I don't care for GaGa or Madonna and think that their music is almost entirely the product of others' work (especially in Madonna's case), but I'll give them credit for inspiring many.

And really, I may not like her but I completely agree that Madonna is the Queen of Pop. She may not be able to sing worth a damn, but she's been one of the most influential entertainers in history and an impressive chain of hits.

GaGa may take over eventually, but two albums cannot dethrone Madge. Especially since her stock seems to have already fallen considerably. It bears mentioning that 21, another pop album, returned to the #1 spot after BTW spent only 2 weeks there. IMO, Gaga isn't even this year's Queen of Pop.

[KarmaContestant]

No matter your personal opinion of Madonna, you can't deny her incredible - and memorable lasting power or her permanent imprint on pop culture. Her songs have left a mark in the lives of probably billions of people, from Holiday to Music to 4 Minutes To Save The World.

The only person who manufactured Madonna is herself - she was contrived, yes, but all at her own desire; she was never the product of another's invention.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Heartboy

This thread has way to much hate!

It's actually a testament to Madonna's peerless ablility to stir up controversy and divide opinions by the mention of her name even amongst people who could generally care less about her music and even less about watching her terrible film 'performances" For this she does perhaps deserve to be the Queen of something.

[Macfanforever]

I did like Madonna when she first hit the charts.Then she started to get naughty and nasty in later years.Going by decades .Yes in the 1980's she was the queen of pop.now time marches on to now.Lady Gaga probably got to fight with Katy Perry as of now this decade is still to young to tell.Leave it to RS to nix out Nicks again ."No pun intented".Hehehe.

[tilthefirefades]

Why so much hate for Madonna? Or rather, why so much hate on this forum???

Madonna is amazing, and just because you don't think she's deserving of a pretty pointless title won't take away her hard earned success. Madonna is as good as it gets in pop music, and is extremely popular all over the world. I mean come on, Vogue? Deeper and Deeper? Take a Bow? The list goes on and on for flawless songs that make up an intimidatingly long career. Annie Lennox has much more talent yes, but doesn't hold a candle to Madonna in terms of actual sales and success.

For the record, if it were completely up to me I would say Janet <333

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by tilthefirefades

Why so much hate for Madonna? Or rather, why so much hate on this forum???

Because people have opinions that differ from your own it is hate?

[Heartboy]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Because people have opinions that differ from your own it is hate?

Opinions are one thing but some of your comments were nasty (mean) so yes, I call that hate.

[tilthefirefades]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Comparing their musical talent would be like comparing the acting skills of Meryl Streep to the worst film actress imaginable which would be ..Madonna!

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

If you mean talent as a media manipulating ,opportunistic ,cheap shock value tart then you might be right.

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

She is that utterly devoid of any apparent acting ability.

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

It's actually a testament to Madonna's peerless ablility to stir up controversy and divide opinions by the mention of her name even amongst people who could generally care less about her music and even less about watching her terrible film 'performances" For this she does perhaps deserve to be the Queen of something.

Ahh yes, definitely just an opinion

Just when exactly did Madonna spew vitriol about you on a Fleetwood Mac forum?

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by tilthefirefades

Ahh yes, definitely just an opinion

Just when exactly did Madonna spew vitriol about you on a Fleetwood Mac forum?

That would be when I put myself out there as a 'public' figure and published a picture book of myself hitch hiking nude available at your local bookstore.

[sparky]

Queen of pop?

Hmm.

I guess it depends on what defines Queen of Pop. In terms of sales and money making, there is no doubt Madonna is the most successful woman in the history of pop music. You can't deny numbers. Sales numbers or money numbers. Her longevity is impressive as well. She still makes headlines, though now it is more often for her personal life. When she nabs a new young man, gets a new unpleasant cosmetic procedure, or something else scandalous, she generates a lot of ink. And her tours certainly make news. And lots and lots of money. Does she really sing live? Reports say a little yes, a lot of not really. But that is not a true litmus test of pop stars these days. And let's face it, her voice was never really the selling point. Her entire career has been about miraculously savvy image management and a nearly spotless record of being able to predict trends in popular music. And I will say, adopt them and sell the hell out of them.

On the downside, she set an unfortunate trend of "co-writers" taking ownership of songs they didn't really have a hand in creating. Not that such things haven't happened before but she really takes the cake. As much as she may have tried, she will never have credibility as a writer or a producer, in spite of what the album credits say. But she is incredibly wealthy, incredibly famous, and that was always her true goal. She has never made any bones about it. In my eyes, she is a genius at the business of a being a pop star. Musically, she has great instincts, but I don't see her as an actual creator of music. She is like a studio head who makes music and movies about the character Madonna.

A great achievement, without a doubt. But that's an entirely different animal than what I look up to and admire about musicians. She created an entirely new template of what a popstar could be. That had a cultural impact and it changed the music business. For musicians and writers it did not create a better place, IMO. She will always be more Elvis than Buddy Holly. More Donna Summer than Joni Mitchell, and more collage artist than master painter.

I am more comfortable calling her the Queen of the Music business. Not the queen of any particular art. She is more a musical Donald Trump than anything else.

[Heartboy]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

That would be when I put myself out there as a 'public' figure and published a picture book of myself hitch hiking nude available at your local bookstore.

I see no reason to poke at what he was saying. You were hating more than just giving an opinion, own up to it & move on!

[RickRobert]

Originally Posted by Heartboy

This thread has way to much hate!

I like Lady Gaga and kind of liked that one Madonna song Erotica. They're hardly original but I try to just listen for music for what it is.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Heartboy

I see no reason to poke at what he was saying. You were hating more than just giving an opinion, own up to it & move on!

Ahhh ..now you wouldn't say that to Robert Christgau or John Simon!

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

That would be when I put myself out there as a 'public' figure and published a picture book of myself hitch hiking nude available at your local bookstore.

Hey now, that was a good book. But really, it was. Of course it was just fodder for the haters, but the stories and pictures were very entertaining from the perspective of a reader. I sold my copy for cigarette money way back in 1994, but bought my boyfriend a mint condition, unopened copy for Christmas a couple years ago.

All things considered, I love Madonna, her music and all the little things she's done to contribute to pop culture. I don't expect celebrities to be role models to fans, so the scandal and shock never bothered me since it's all part of the whole entertainment package she presents.