Stevie Tweets Now

[Christopher]

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

TrueFaith nailed it. SYW as a whole did not represent Stevie's sensibilities. She begrudgingly went along with the rest of the band's musical direction. Following Lindsey's lead, they set out to push the envelope and purposely try not to sound like Fleetwood Mac, which literally came straight from the horse's mouths in the Destiny Rules doc when Stevie 1st arrives at the studio.



Lindsey mentioning in one pre-release interview that Stevie had yet to thank him for his work on her 'SYW' songs. He stated that she was "still seeing this album through dark colors."

Stevie was very cagey, almost seeming depressed upon SYW's release. I recall it was odd and jarring, set against Lindsey's excitement and practically foaming at the mouth adoration over SYW, especially when it came to his material on the album. In hindsight, Stevie was obviously still bruising over all the fights involved in making the record. Over song choices (Come, especially springs to mind), over the double vs single album & who would mix the final recordings, over the final sequencing of songs etc.. Stevie lobbied for and lost, or better yet she acquiesced to appease Lindsey, compromising her convictions, but keeping the peace. Whether or not people/fans will admit it wholly. Stevie's instincts were pretty dead on. While on one hand, as a fan, I'm thankful to have this record with all the songs, I have to admit deep down that the following songs: "Come" , "Murrow Turning Over In His Grave" or "Red Rover" and "Running Through The Garden" and "Everybody Finds Out" sound like solo songs and would have been better served up on solo records.



"It was nightmare doing that record. It really was Lindsey’s vision, and it wasn’t very much about the other three of us. And of course it was also the first record we had ever attempted to do without Christine [McVie, who left the band in the late 1990s]. Right there, the whole thing was completely insane. She is the magic mediator in that band and always was. She’s the one who made light of everything and made everybody laugh and told us all that were full of ****. She was the person who made it all work. So when she wasn’t there, that sunk the boat. I don’t think that my friend Chris ever realized how important she was. Without her, it’s a boy’s club. The lack of Christine is a big, hollow hole in my heart."

Without a doubt, Stevie holds the cards and another FM record will only happen if Lindsey agrees with Stevie's vision next time out. Primary on her short list is an outside producer/mediator, most likely Dave Stewart, or if anyone can magically get Christine to come out of retirement for one last record - which would be short of a miracle for that to happen. And secondly, if one more FM record is to be, Stevie clearly wants it to match her "sensibilities" next time around. Sounding more like the old Fleetwood Mac that she loves. I really hope it happens, but am not holding my breath.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Without a doubt, Stevie holds the cards and another FM record will only happen if Lindsey agrees with Stevie's vision next time out. Primary on her short list is an outside producer/mediator, most likely Dave Stewart, or if anyone can magically get Christine to come out of retirement for one last record - which would be short of a miracle for that to happen. And secondly, if one more FM record is to be, Stevie clearly wants it to match her "sensibilities" next time around. Sounding more like the old Fleetwood Mac that she loves. I really hope it happens, but am not holding my breath.

Agreed 100% with all of this

Personally, I'd be quite happy with them trying a modern twist on their old sound, I still firmly believe that they have a fantastic album in them. They don't have to be trend-setting or totally out of the box. Sure, don't make it a rehash of your old works, but you don't need to alienate your fanbase either.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by Christopher

TrueFaith nailed it. SYW as a whole did not represent Stevie's sensibilities. She begrudgingly went along with the rest of the band's musical direction. Following Lindsey's lead, they set out to push the envelope and purposely try not to sound like Fleetwood Mac, which literally came straight from the horse's mouths in the Destiny Rules doc when Stevie 1st arrives at the studio.

This is interesting, because there are some songs that do not sound like Fleetwood Mac songs....but then there are so many on Say You Will that sound exactly like Fleetwood Mac songs.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

This is interesting, because there are some songs that do not sound like Fleetwood Mac songs....but then there are so many on Say You Will that sound exactly like Fleetwood Mac songs.

The only one that sounds like a true FM song to me is Destiny Rules.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The only one that sounds like a true FM song to me is Destiny Rules.

That one especially sounds like Fleetwood Mac.

I'd have to add:

Say You Will
Bleed To Love Her
Steal Your Heart Away
Say Goodbye
Silver Girl
Miranda
Thrown Down
Peacekeeper
Smile At You
Goodbye Baby

For me, the only ones that really don't sound like Fleetwood Mac are Murrow, Everybody Finds Out, Running Through The Garden, Red Rover and Come. The rest pretty much fit the sterotypical Fleetwood Mac sound and have elements of Tusk, Mirage and Tango throughout, and just seem to be missing Chris' harmonies.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

That one especially sounds like Fleetwood Mac.

I'd have to add:

Say You Will
Bleed To Love Her
Steal Your Heart Away
Say Goodbye
Silver Girl
Miranda
Thrown Down
Peacekeeper
Smile At You
Goodbye Baby

For me, the only ones that really don't sound like Fleetwood Mac are Murrow, Everybody Finds Out, Running Through The Garden, Red Rover and Come. The rest pretty much fit the sterotypical Fleetwood Mac sound and have elements of Tusk, Mirage and Tango throughout, and just seem to be missing Chris' harmonies.

If we're talking about Lindsey's songs too then I'd have to agree about Bleed To Love Her.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

If we're talking about Lindsey's songs too then I'd have to agree about Bleed To Love Her.

It helps that it was taken on tour first.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

It helps that it was taken on tour first.

With Christine...

[Fiver]

Miranda always reminded me of a Tango in the Night cut.

[Silylily]

Originally Posted by Fiver

Miranda always reminded me of a Tango in the Night cut.

You read my mind exactly, Fiver! It just bleeds "Tango" all over, doesn't it!

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

That one especially sounds like Fleetwood Mac.

I'd have to add:

Say You Will
Bleed To Love Her
Steal Your Heart Away
Say Goodbye
Silver Girl
Miranda
Thrown Down
Peacekeeper
Smile At You
Goodbye Baby

For me, the only ones that really don't sound like Fleetwood Mac are Murrow, Everybody Finds Out, Running Through The Garden, Red Rover and Come. The rest pretty much fit the sterotypical Fleetwood Mac sound and have elements of Tusk, Mirage and Tango throughout, and just seem to be missing Chris' harmonies.

Honestly, SYW sounds like Buckingham Nicks where it's just the two of them swapping lead vocals and harmony vocals. I have no issue with that whatsoever. Mostly, I prefer it.

However, I think Sheryl Crow's vocals on a couple of the SYW tracks - Silver Girl, SYW were a "nice try" for the FM with Christine McVie sound. Again, I don't have a problem with the SYW album at all. I think it's an excellent project. It's really no different than the previous two Mac studio albums with Stevie and Lindsey - Mirage and Tango where they each (including Christine) had songs that were arguably solo songs.

Back on topic: New tweet says "Stevie’s on a treadmill singing along to “Vampire’s Dream” from her new record. She was inspired to write the song after she saw New Moon."

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I did think her bad-mouthing of SYW only started a year or so after the tour was over.

She wasn't outright badmouthing SYW, but she was not over the moon about it either and that started in about May 2003 and Lindsey noticed and didn't like it.

But I don't think that ruined the tour. It was a long tour. I don't think it was a bad one for most of the time. They just had some kind of fight at the end.

Back in 2003, Stevie said a few times that SYW had some of the best songs she'd ever written, but I don't think she thought they were the best songs that Lindsey ever produced. Just the fact that she was saying in 2003 that she told him during recording that she'd been by herself for years now and she'd learned to do things on her own and "I don't need you to make my music come true anymore," led me to think she was unhappy with the production and the way he wouldn't listen to her and probably threw TISL in his face told him that she and Sheryl Crow were way better producers than he could ever be!


I am sure that she was "Lindsey Buckinghaming" him to death during that recording process. I just wonder if she ever throws in "Adams" too when she gets really angry.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Fiver

Miranda always reminded me of a Tango in the Night cut.

And Miranda always sounded me like a song that Stevie should like.

In the same sense that SYW sounds like a Christine song, I felt that Miranda reminded me of something Stevie would favor.

I think at least half of the album sounds like FM. EFO does not sound like FM to me. It doesn't sound like BN either, but it sounds really good. A welcome departure from what I expected of them. I was surprised and delighted.

Michele

[Fiver]

Originally Posted by Silylily

You read my mind exactly, Fiver! It just bleeds "Tango" all over, doesn't it!

It really does! It sounds like what would happen if you put Big Love and Seven Wonders in a blender.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

She wasn't outright badmouthing SYW, but she was not over the moon about it either and that started in about May 2003 and Lindsey noticed and didn't like it.

But I don't think that ruined the tour. It was a long tour. I don't think it was a bad one for most of the time. They just had some kind of fight at the end.

Back in 2003, Stevie said a few times that SYW had some of the best songs she'd ever written, but I don't think she thought they were the best songs that Lindsey ever produced. Just the fact that she was saying in 2003 that she told him during recording that she'd been by herself for years now and she'd learned to do things on her own and "I don't need you to make my music come true anymore," led me to think she was unhappy with the production and the way he wouldn't listen to her and probably threw TISL in his face told him that she and Sheryl Crow were way better producers than he could ever be!


I am sure that she was "Lindsey Buckinghaming" him to death during that recording process. I just wonder if she ever throws in "Adams" too when she gets really angry.

Michele

If her hormones were swinging like she said, there is really no telling how she was feeling, when she was feeling it or what she might say to express those feelings... On top of her already unstable Gemini state of mind, I'm sure that it was a virtual roller coaster ride for sure!