I'm sorry but I think Lindsey is a little overrated

[Johnny Stew]

dissention... I went back and listened to the "Seven Wonders" outtake I have, and I was mistaken when I told you there were alternate vocals in the first verse.

The vocals in the first verse sound exactly like the album version (or at least extremely similar)... those alternate vocals I was remembering, are in the second verse.

Sorry about that!

[Cour]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
YES THANK YOU! I said this yesterday when someone asked how we knew that Stevie didn't win the sequencing argument. In return they bit my head off because this was apparently never said. Does anyone remember this source? Not that I care anymore, it's just for my own curiosity really.

I'm not sure you're talking about my post, but in case you are, I hardly think I bit your head off.


Since I did address this yesterday when someone said that Lindsey won, I ask that anyone who remembers where Lindsey or Stevie specifically said that they got their way or any quote that refered to what track order they wanted and what compromises were or were NOT made, feel free to post them, please. Burnish.net has just about every single article and interview about SYW.


I do remember Lindsey saying that there were problems at the end of the album when it had to be cut back from 2 cds to 1. I believe Lindsey said that Stevie was unhappy with the sequencing. I do not remember reading any specific references to what Lindsey wanted and what he got and what Stevie wanted and what she didn't get. I don't "assume" that Lindsey got his way and I don't assume that there weren't ANY compromises made. Since Stevie has not said what about the sequencing she was unhappy about, I don't assume that I know and can read her mind.
I also believe that someone, and I'm not sure if it was you, was attributing Stevie's somber mood in recent appearances to her not getting her way and her being unhappy with the sequencing of the cd. I think that that is a far stretch since we have no idea what is going on in their lives day to day, and the sequencing of the cd took place almost 3 months ago.


It takes too long to post here now and it would take me too long to go back and get my original post and then get a busy message for 20 minutes or an hour. I don't think my previous post is any different from what I'm saying here. If it is then I apologize.

If someone has the quotes where Lindsey or Stevie say who won, I'd be more than happy to read it.

[myndpeace]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Blinker, here are the questions you asked me:

1) Lindsey's the better person?
2) So now you're officially God, passing judgment on us mere mortals?
3)Hasn't it occurred to you that Lindsey was less upset than Stevie about the outcome because he won the argument?

One and two seem like rhetorical questions to me, therefore not worth answering. Unless you really want me to tell you whether I think I'm god.

I was originally trying to avoid having to post on this thread, but I couldn't help but laugh at your rhetoric. So you've answered the first question and, in somewhat of a roundabout way, the third, but I am in all seriousness waiting for your answer to the second. Please clue us in.

[Vianna]

This is the first I've seen of this thread-I have so much trouble getting on the Ledge now=:-( I'm a teacher and a tutor and I can only get on before school and at lunch and at lunch it's always busy.

I have been on the Ledge for years now and we Ledgies have been having this Stevie vs Lindsey argument for the last what? six years?? Some of you who've been here from the beginning know this as well as I do.

Frankly I love 'em both, both together and solo. It's just that, to me, and you don't have to agree, to get the full effect you need 'em both, together.

When I first heard OOTC, I realized where the FM sound for that line-up came from. Later, I figured out that some of that sound was Chris, and I'll have to admit that I miss that part now. It's the sound that has kept me a captive fan all these years.

I relate personally because of my life experiences to more of Stevie's lyrics than Lindsey's, but I can listen to his solo music longer than Stevie's solo music. All of this comes with lots of exceptions. For example, Street of Dreams or Stevie's Jane where I cry almost every time I hear it, it's so beautiful.

Don't you ever wonder where they would have been without each other?

and isn't it pretty amazing for those of us who have been fans for a long time that they are together at all...back in 87 I would have told you I doubted we'd ever see FM again after the Tango tour-I never thought I'd get to see Lindsey live with the band...it says a lot about both of their characters that they were willing to give it a go again if you ask me..neither Stevie nor Lindsey really needs the money you know..

Enough rambling..

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Cour
I also believe that someone, and I'm not sure if it was you, was attributing Stevie's somber mood in recent appearances to her not getting her way and her being unhappy with the sequencing of the cd. I think that that is a far stretch since we have no idea what is going on in their lives day to day, and the sequencing of the cd took place almost 3 months ago.

I am unsure if this helps, but during the first radio interview (perhaps with Mark and Brian) I, and many other Ledgies thought Stevie looked perhaps sad. That interview was supposedly live and was taped either the day of or within days of the funeral of the death by drug overdose of one of Stevie's friends and former collegue (Howie Epstein ?). I think it is fairly safe to assume that some of her scowling that day could be related to that because I would have also been sad. But, you are correct in that although that seems like a logical connection to me, I was not there, etc. Anyway, I thought this might help.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by myndpeace
I was originally trying to avoid having to post on this thread, but I couldn't help but laugh at your rhetoric. So you've answered the first question and, in somewhat of a roundabout way, the third, but I am in all seriousness waiting for your answer to the second. Please clue us in.

You should have stuck with your first instinct. I answered the first question before he ever asked it, and someone else answered No. 3, an answer with which I concurred.

As for No. 2, well, you'll just have to keep guessing.

[blinker12]

You can't be serious. If I say someone is the "better person," it has to be based on fact? Fact has nothing to do with it. It's perception.

Yes, *based* on fact. If you're going to make a statement like that, you'd better have a persuasive argument _ based on facts _ to back it up. So far, you haven't offered one.
The only evidence you cited in support of your statement that Lindsey is a better person is that he was less sulky when the album was released. Even if that were the case _ and I'm not sure it was _ I've been trying to point out that Lindsey is capable of being just as sulky when he doesn't get his way.
Anyway, I think all this is a moot point now, since I interpreted one of your recent posts (in which you "came clean") as a kind of retraction. So, I'm prepared to bury the hatchet if you are.

[DownOnRodeo]

I'm surprised you don't know! Maybe your American bibles are a bit behind. The answer comes straight after Revelations - in the Book of Carne - it !
(bows respectfully)

[PollyThePenguin]

Originally posted by Janet
But he is so gorgeous, whatever he lacks he makes up with looks.

How sexist! "He can't sing for sh*t anymore but I love it when he wears no underwear and howls into the mic. " That's so you, Janet.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
I'm surprised you don't know! Maybe your American bibles are a bit behind. The answer comes straight after Revelations - in the Book of Carne - it !
(bows respectfully)

Blinker, again, get serious. Or rather, don't be so serious. As for your comment about a "retraction," I did no such thing. Besides, there is no such thing as "retracting" a statement. once, it is made, it is made.

[blinker12]

Blinker, again, get serious. Or rather, don't be so serious.

Whatever. You have consistently refused to engage in any sort of debate about this with me, dismissing everything I've said by saying "Get serious" or "I have no response."
So I officially give up.
It's interesting, though, how much you have to say until someone truly calls you on your ridiculous invectives. Then, you suddenly become Mr. Let's Just Have Fun and Get Along.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by blinker12
Whatever. You have consistently refused to engage in any sort of debate about this with me, dismissing everything I've said by saying "Get serious" or "I have no response."
So I officially give up.
It's interesting, though, how much you have to say until someone truly calls you on your ridiculous invectives. Then, you suddenly become Mr. Let's Just Have Fun and Get Along.

Dude, you're beginning to feel like a gnat. I'm not sure what you want, exactly. I've never shied away from debate. I've gone farther than I should have in addressing your ridiculous demands to prove why I think Lindsey is the better person or whether I think I'm god. When you say, "you'd better have a persuasive argument," are you really going to be persuaded by anything I say about the "better person" thing? Let's knock off the nonsense.

[blinker12]

When you say, "you'd better have a persuasive argument," are you really going to be persuaded by anything I say about the "better person" thing?

Maybe, maybe not, but it's telling that you haven't even tried. If you aren't willing to argue a point _ especially one so negative _ there's no reason to make it. After all, this is a *discussion* board.
And on that note _ yes, I'm more than happy to end this particular discussion.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by blinker12
Maybe, maybe not, but it's telling that you haven't even tried. If you aren't willing to argue a point _ especially one so negative _ there's no reason to make it. After all, this is a *discussion* board.
And on that note _ yes, I'm more than happy to end this particular discussion.

I am more than happy to terminate this silly discussion, but you seemed to have missed my point here: I don't care to prove anything to you about statements I make.

[seteca]

JMVHO on the original thread subject:

I think Lindsey is one of the most UNDERrated musicians of all time. Any credit he has got is a tiny fraction of what he should have got by now. I just read a quote by a critic in the LB forum which described "Out Of The Cradle" as "criminally forgotten". Unfortunately he is absolutely right. And I fear the same will happen to Lindsey once he retires.