Bleed to Love Her - LATE DRUMS!!!! - Page 2

Phil · #16 04-19-2003, 08:21 AM

Whilst I don't necessarily have a problem with the late beat, I do not care for the sound of the drums on the studio version - they are so tinny and at odds with the rest of the song. I'm also disappointed that Stevie's vocals have been mixed so low but I imagine the purpose of this was to showcase Christine's contribution. Oh and I also hate Lindsey's echo of "take my breath away" during the second verse - it's just awful.
I guess the only part of this version I like is the extended instrumental ending but then we already had this on the GOS version. As this recording dates back to 1996, I consider it an inappropriate choice for inclusion, particularly when the likes of "Down On Rodeo" and "Wait For You" were sacrificed. Don't misunderstand me, I do adore this song but definitely prefer the live version and just wish it had remained as that.

DrummerDeanna · #17 04-19-2003, 09:01 AM

Okay...the beat is not even noticably late! Give me a break....I've clapped to the time, Counted, tapped my foot, and flat out directed to it....the reason it may sound really late is the trippy little drum effect Linds has got going on through the song....it's very odd....but cool as heck! I love the song! I can't say that I like it more than the live version...but I think both are fantastic!

BlueGrass · #18 04-19-2003, 10:36 AM

On a side note...Christine is on SYHA. The "Ohhh Oooohs" are her! And they seem to be louder than the other versions. She alsys drops a "steal your hear away" line on her own.

wondergirl9847 · #19 04-19-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Phil
As this recording dates back to 1996, I consider it an inappropriate choice for inclusion, particularly when the likes of "Down On Rodeo" and "Wait For You" were sacrificed.

Phil, what is this song, Wait For You? I've never heard of it...a Lindsey song?!?! Do tell!!

Phil · #20 04-19-2003, 10:00 PM

Hi there Christy! "Wait For You" is the official title of "Shuffle Riff" aka "Hit & Run". I have mentioned this previously but it seemed to cause some disagreement among Ledgies so I let it go but I can assure you this information is factual.
My favourite GOS songs were "Murrow", "Down On Rodeo" and "Wait For You" so I was truly hanging out for all three to be included on SYW. I knew "Murrow" wouldn't be altered but I could really imagine Stevie harmonising on the latter two. Maybe these songs will make it onto the follow up?

wondergirl9847 · #21 04-19-2003, 10:02 PM

Thanks Phil! I love Shuffle Riff or Wait for You or whatever. LOL One of my fave GOS songs!! The way he says "tarantula" KILLS me...it just sounds really cool! LOL I hope that one and Twist of Fate are released on the next FM album!! They are awesome!!

Matt Lucas · #22 04-25-2003, 01:45 PM

Hello all---

I totally agree about Mick's slightly late drum fill/intro. I noticed it the very first time I heard the "leaked" version from GIFT OF SCREWS. I was shocked that Lindsey would leave it like that.

In musician circles, Mick is indeed known as a drummer who plays behind the beat. This method of playing sort of creates a slightly drawn-out dip on the 1 and 3 of each measure. It's hard to explain... but, anyway, the first fill on BTLH is not just behind the beat, it's OFF the beat. Argh.

And while we're talking about the drums on BTLH, the snare sound totally ruins the song for me. It's that huge, treated, '80s-style snare that would have been okay on Tango. But on an acoustic-driven, organic-sounding song like BTLH, it just doesn't fit. One of Lindsey's few mis-steps in recording/producing SAY YOU WILL.

mattl

bucklind17 · #23 04-25-2003, 01:54 PM

I actually went slightly into my love for this song in the LB forum, but I'll reiterate.

This song is the song that made me want to love this band. It is what caught my attention when The Dance was on MTV. I am so happy that it is on this album, and I really enjoy the way it is presented. I don't have a trained ear, but I don't have any problems with the beat. I love the way Lindsey echoes certain lyrics. I LOVE the guitar ending. I really have this song to thank for my appreciation for this band, because I'm not sure I'd ever have put forth the effort to find out more about them without it. Call me cheesy.

And personally, I don't see how this tour can be as good as The Dance without Christine! But I'm sure that's been discussed far and wide already. I love that this song is on the album if just to have her voice on there!

David · #24 04-25-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Matt Lucas
I totally agree about Mick's slightly late drum fill/intro. I noticed it the very first time I heard the "leaked" version from GIFT OF SCREWS. I was shocked that Lindsey would leave it like that.

I betcha Buckingham thinks that the kick-in off the beat is quirky enough to confound the listener's expectations a little, & he probably likes that idea. It's a little stumble that sets the song outside the clean, clinical realm of "perfect," where all is solid armor. The late kick-in is a little chink in that armor, like a cleft in a chin that adds character to a face.

bjk3047 · #25 04-27-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Matt Lucas

And while we're talking about the drums on BTLH, the snare sound totally ruins the song for me. It's that huge, treated, '80s-style snare that would have been okay on Tango. But on an acoustic-driven, organic-sounding song like BTLH, it just doesn't fit. One of Lindsey's few mis-steps in recording/producing SAY YOU WILL.

mattl

I tend to think otherwise. It's completely vintage Lindsey. That huge sound started back in Tusk, traveled through his solo albums (especially OOTC), and doesn't seem dated in the least in my opinion.
-Brian
P.S. The late beat really never got to me.