Sharon Osbourne Will Cut a Bitch - Page 2

amber · #16 11-07-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Of course it is. Just like Tommy Boy believes all of that alien voodoo hoodoo bull****.

I think it's a publicity stunt and something that she believes in. I think she's into all of that stuff but that she uses it to her advantage when it comes to her career.

I think they're both smart women.

I don't think that is why she started believing in it, to advance her career. And I think it's a publicity "stunt" only to the extent that everything Madonna has ever felt, done, been into, believed - essentially her whole life - has been for public consumption. But again, I don't think that is why she started believing it.
Do you? think they're both smart? I guess Sharon must be smart in some way, but it's not the way where she sounds smart to me. Not that I care. You probably know more about Sharon anyway.

dissention · #17 11-07-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

I don't think that is why she started believing in it, to advance her career. And I think it's a publicity "stunt" only to the extent that everything Madonna has ever felt, done, been into, believed - essentially her whole life - has been for public consumption. But again, I don't think that is why she started believing it.

I never said that she started getting into that stuff for career purposes. I said that while she probably believes all of it, she also uses it to benefit her career. Just look at her "Ray of Light" album, or how she sells Kabbalah bracelets, Kabbalah merchandise, and Kabbalah water at her concerts. Or that song "Isaac" on her new album.

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Originally Posted by amber

Do you? think they're both smart? I guess Sharon must be smart in some way, but it's not the way where she sounds smart to me. Not that I care. You probably know more about Sharon anyway.

I do think they're both very smart. Sharon runs the ship when it comes to Ozzy and look how well they've made out. Madonna's obviously smart and crafty when you look at how well her career has turned out.

cliffdweller · #18 11-07-2005, 04:54 PM

I think Sharon is smart...in the moneymaking sense just like Madonna. They are both publicity hounds, and in my opinion, Sharon is doing exactly what she is accusing Madge of, so I don't really get her beef. I mean, what does she care? All this aside, she DOES make me laugh and I generally agree with what she says

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amber · #19 11-07-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I never said that she started getting into that stuff for career purposes. I said that while she probably believes all of it, she also uses it to benefit her career. Just look at her "Ray of Light" album, or how she sells Kabbalah bracelets, Kabbalah merchandise, and Kabbalah water at her concerts. Or that song "Isaac" on her new album.

I do think they're both very smart. Sharon runs the ship when it comes to Ozzy and look how well they've made out. Madonna's obviously smart and crafty when you look at how well her career has turned out.

I guess I misunderstood when you said "That's all she's using Kabbalah for" (Publicity). I thought you meant that was all she was using Kabbalah for.

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I think she was simply pointing out the ridiculousness of Madonna's publicity stunts. That's all she's really using Kabbalah for.

I know Madonna is smart.

The Tower · #20 11-07-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I never said that she started getting into that stuff for career purposes. I said that while she probably believes all of it, she also uses it to benefit her career. Just look at her "Ray of Light" album, or how she sells Kabbalah bracelets, Kabbalah merchandise, and Kabbalah water at her concerts. Or that song "Isaac" on her new album.

I thought her new album would be released under her new name, Esther. Or is she not Esther anymore???

Esther - Confessions on a Dance Floor

dissention · #21 11-07-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

I guess I misunderstood when you said "That's all she's using Kabbalah for" (Publicity). I thought you meant that was all she was using Kabbalah for.

Which I followed with:

"I think it's a publicity stunt and something that she believes in. I think she's into all of that stuff but that she uses it to her advantage when it comes to her career."

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I know Madonna is smart.

Hey, you asked the question, I answered.

dissention · #22 11-07-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

I thought her new album would be released under her new name, Esther. Or is she not Esther anymore???

Esther - Confessions on a Dance Floor

Esther = publicity stunt.

amber · #23 11-07-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Which I followed with:

"I think it's a publicity stunt and something that she believes in. I think she's into all of that stuff but that she uses it to her advantage when it comes to her career."

Yeah, you followed.
I think Madonna has always used everything she is for publicity, to advance her career. So to me, this is no worse or better. And it doesn't make me doubt any of her sincerity, as far as she is capable of it.

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Hey, you asked the question, I answered.

huh? I just said that I know Madonna is smart.

dissention · #24 11-07-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Yeah, you followed.
I think Madonna has always used everything she is for publicity, to advance her career. So to me, this is no worse or better. And it doesn't make me doubt any of her sincerity, as far as she is capable of it.

I never said it was any worse than any of her other publicity stunts, either. It's on the same level as all of her other stunts as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, they look more desperate as the years wear on, i.e. the lesbian kiss on the VMAs.

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huh? I just said that I know Madonna is smart.

Then why did you ask me whether I thought both women were smart after I had already said so?

amber · #25 11-07-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I never said it was any worse than any of her other publicity stunts, either. It's on the same level as all of her other stunts as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, they look more desperate as the years wear on, i.e. the lesbian kiss on the VMAs.

Then why did you ask me whether I thought both women were smart after I had already said so?

what? Oh, when I said "I know Madonna is smart" I was actually responding to when you answered me in your post before that, when you explained why you think both Sharon and Madonna are smart. I didn't ask you again.

I just said "I know Madonna is smart". That's not a question.

*I'm confused*
anyway, I guess I just have a little bit different take on the level of madonna's sincerity, or maybe I have a different view of her "stunts" or exactly what she consciously tries to use as a "stunt", or if it's all as calculated as you make it seem, or something.

I get your point, though.

David · #26 11-07-2005, 06:00 PM

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Plus Kabbalah is very cultish and Sharon probably thinks it's ****e!

I don't think Madonna is as thorougly steeped in the study of Kabbalah as, say, Moshe Edel. But obviously it's something she thinks is interesting. I don't know whether her interest is scholarly or spiritual, or both, but it's a little odd considering Madonna has built a career & a life out of giving free rein to sexual & worldly desires, when Kabbalistic teachings urge people to a higher moral life through spirituality rather than physical desire. It's like Prince suddenly speaking out in behalf of the ascetic life of the monastery. But whatever floats Madonna's boat. A lot of Jews probably think it's also a little odd of Madonna to study Kabbalah without first studying Torah (assuming she hasn't or isn't).

Brwn_eyes0511 · #27 11-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Happy Birthday Sharon!

oops...wrong thread!

Serrart · #28 11-07-2005, 06:08 PM

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I don't think Madonna is as thorougly steeped in the study of Kabbalah as, say, Moshe Edel. But obviously it's something she thinks is interesting. I don't know whether her interest is scholarly or spiritual, or both, but it's a little odd considering Madonna has built a career & a life out of giving free rein to sexual & worldly desires, when Kabbalistic teachings urge people to a higher moral life through spirituality rather than physical desire. It's like Prince suddenly speaking out in behalf of the ascetic life of the monastery. But whatever floats Madonna's boat. A lot of Jews probably think it's also a little odd of Madonna to study Kabbalah without first studying Torah (assuming she hasn't or isn't).

I suspect she doesn't know of Torah's existence.

Romy