Beautiful Child, Setlist rant, blah, blah, blah... - Page 2

KarmaContestant · #16 07-03-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit

Everybody always points out that she chooses her songs with the casual fan in mind, but that doesn't explain why she'd do B&TB instead of If Anyone Falls and HAEWAFY instead of Talk To Me.

Well, the only explanation I can offer up for Beauty & The Beast is that it's on Timespace. So, the casual fan may think that this was a hit.

But, the other three you mentioned are there too.

diamondsnake · #17 07-03-2005, 03:46 PM

Well, HAEWAFY was a single so that explains that.

And B&theB seems to please both the casual fan and the big fans too. In Vegas the casual fans even seemed enchanted with that song.

KarmaContestant · #18 07-03-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Well, HAEWAFY was a single so that explains that.

And B&theB seems to please both the casual fan and the big fans too. In Vegas the casual fans even seemed enchanted with that song.

I took my boss to Vegas (she had never seen Stevie live, and only knew her from the radio) and she was totally enchanted with Beauty & The Beast. When we left, she said 'that was the most intense concert' she'd ever been to. She's 38, and has been to dozens of concerts, but usually bands like Social D. or Korn.

Now, when she hears B&TB, she says it's 'her' song. I think that's kinda cool.

darklinensuit · #19 07-03-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Well, HAEWAFY was a single so that explains that.

It was hardly a hit. (Had a decent photo on the cover, though.) If singles were what she looks to perform, hold your breath for After The Glitter Fades.
I don't think HAEWAFY being a single explains its presence in the setlist at all.

- Jake

darklinensuit · #20 07-03-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

Well, the only explanation I can offer up for Beauty & The Beast is that it's on Timespace. So, the casual fan may think that this was a hit.

But, the other three you mentioned are there too.

The casual fan would have to be on crack to think this style of song charted in the early 80s.

- Jake

dissention · #21 07-03-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit

I don't think HAEWAFY being a single explains its presence in the setlist at all.

- Jake

I think it does, at least initially. She started performing it live when it had been released as a single (Rock A Little tour) and it became a staple, something that she now does on every bloody tour.

ShangriLaTroubl · #22 07-03-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I think it does, at least initially. She started performing it live when it had been released as a single (Rock A Little tour) and it became a staple, something that she now does on every bloody tour.

Thank God, it's one of her best songs IMO

Chris

diamondsnake · #23 07-03-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Thank God, it's one of her best songs IMO

Chris

I can't wait to hear this one live!

darklinensuit · #24 07-03-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I think it does, at least initially. She started performing it live when it had been released as a single (Rock A Little tour) and it became a staple, something that she now does on every bloody tour.

I'm not talking about initially. I'm talking about now. She did I Can't Wait and Nightbird when they were singles as well. I was making the point that people had said she designs the set list for the casual fan, & I don't think that the inclusion of HAEWAFY or B&TB fit this pattern.

- Jake

darklinensuit · #25 07-03-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Thank God, it's one of her best songs IMO

Chris

For some of us who have been hearing it live since the 80s, it would be nice to hear a different song. Especially when the song, sparse as it is, has not varied tremendously.

- Jake

LiquidBlue5000 · #26 07-04-2005, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit

For some of us who have been hearing it live since the 80s, it would be nice to hear a different song. Especially when the song, sparse as it is, has not varied tremendously.

- Jake

I agree.. it wasn't a hit and it really shouldn't be a staple in her set in the way Dreams or Rhiannon or Landslide should be... I think she should absolutely do her hits, but songs like HAEWAFY and BATB and Enchanted need to not become staples...

songs she should always do:

Rhiannon
Landsilde
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Stand Back
Edge Of Seventeen
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around

Those 7 songs are her most recognizable and should probably always be done... however, the rest of the set should be mixed up on a regular basis... i don't think casual fans or hardcore fans would be dissapointed to see a setlist like this for example:

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Rooms On Fire
4. Sara
5. Wild Heart
6. Stand Back
7. Landslide
8. Blue Denim
9. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
10. Seven Wonders
11. Gold Dust Woman
12. Think About It
13. If I Were You
14. Edge Of Seventeen
15. Rhiannon

or like this

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Fall From Grace
4. Gold Dust Woman
5. Long Way To Go
6. Sara
7. Stand Back
8. Kind Of Woman
9. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
10. That's Alright
11. Juliet
12. Landslide
13. Rhiannon
14. Edge Of Seventeen
15. Love Is

or like this

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Violet And Blue
4. Rhiannon
5. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
6. Nightbird
7. No Spoken Word
8. Landslide
9. Stand Back
10. Silver Springs
11. Gold Dust Woman
12. Planets Of The Universe
13. Edge Of Seventeen
14. Nothing Ever Changes
15. Storms

her 7 "staple" songs are in every one of these setlists, yet they are all completely different... doesn't she realize she can do so much more than what she does??? if she did 3 different tours with these three different setlists, i don't think anyone would be bitching that she "always does the same songs"... i just honestly believe she has no clue had to do a setlist... i can't for the life of me understand how "Enchanted" became a staple in her set.. it's not a great song imo, it was never a hit, and it was never a single... but there it is, at every single show

diamondsnake · #27 07-04-2005, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

I agree.. it wasn't a hit and it really shouldn't be a staple in her set in the way Dreams or Rhiannon or Landslide should be... I think she should absolutely do her hits, but songs like HAEWAFY and BATB and Enchanted need to not become staples...

songs she should always do:

Rhiannon
Landsilde
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Stand Back
Edge Of Seventeen
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around

Those 7 songs are her most recognizable and should probably always be done... however, the rest of the set should be mixed up on a regular basis... i don't think casual fans or hardcore fans would be dissapointed to see a setlist like this for example:

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Rooms On Fire
4. Sara
5. Wild Heart
6. Stand Back
7. Landslide
8. Blue Denim
9. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
10. Seven Wonders
11. Gold Dust Woman
12. Think About It
13. If I Were You
14. Edge Of Seventeen
15. Rhiannon

or like this

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Fall From Grace
4. Gold Dust Woman
5. Long Way To Go
6. Sara
7. Stand Back
8. Kind Of Woman
9. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
10. That's Alright
11. Juliet
12. Landslide
13. Rhiannon
14. Edge Of Seventeen
15. Love Is

or like this

1. Outside The Rain
2. Dreams
3. Violet And Blue
4. Rhiannon
5. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
6. Nightbird
7. No Spoken Word
8. Landslide
9. Stand Back
10. Silver Springs
11. Gold Dust Woman
12. Planets Of The Universe
13. Edge Of Seventeen
14. Nothing Ever Changes
15. Storms

her 7 "staple" songs are in every one of these setlists, yet they are all completely different... doesn't she realize she can do so much more than what she does??? if she did 3 different tours with these three different setlists, i don't think anyone would be bitching that she "always does the same songs"... i just honestly believe she has no clue had to do a setlist... i can't for the life of me understand how "Enchanted" became a staple in her set.. it's not a great song imo, it was never a hit, and it was never a single... but there it is, at every single show

Yeah, this is sort of what I meant. As long as she is still doing a bunch of hits then why do the rare songs also have to constantly be the same? The people that recognize a song like Enchanted are the big fans who have seen her a million times and would prefer a different song anyway.

darklinensuit · #28 07-04-2005, 04:05 AM

I would be just as happy to see Talk To Me instead of SDYHA as one of the seven staples you name. She didn't write either of them & they both did well on the charts. And I don't think SDMHA has sounded great live in recent years. I'd be up for seeing what she could do with TTM.
And for the record, I think Gypsy & Sara are pretty recognizable as well.

- Jake

LiquidBlue5000 · #29 07-04-2005, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit

I would be just as happy to see Talk To Me instead of SDYHA as one of the seven staples you name. She didn't write either of them & they both did well on the charts. And I don't think SDMHA has sounded great live in recent years. I'd be up for seeing what she could do with TTM.
And for the record, I think Gypsy & Sara are pretty recognizable as well.

- Jake

oh, i definately agree... "I Can't Wait" should also be a staple, along with "Rooms On Fire"... but i'm mostly talking about the staples in her mind... songs she can or will do as staples... i don't think she's ever gonna do TTM or ROF ever again.. and certainly not ICW

diamondsnake · #30 07-04-2005, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

oh, i definately agree... "I Can't Wait" should also be a staple, along with "Rooms On Fire"... but i'm mostly talking about the staples in her mind... songs she can or will do as staples... i don't think she's ever gonna do TTM or ROF ever again.. and certainly not ICW

But why? What does she have against these songs? That is the million dollar question.

I would die happy if I heard ANY one song from either Other Side of the Mirror or Street Angel. But something tells me I won't be dying happy!