Don Henley/Stevie Nicks (Summer Tour) - Page 14

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #**196** 03-11-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

Hi Pip

Any more news on this possible Vegas show in May? I have a choice either NOTS New York or Vegas, cant do both so wondered if anyone had any more news?

I'd prefer to see a solo Stevie performance as I've never had the opportunity before, so will hang on a little if there ever is a chance she will do a solo tour again. HOpe so.

Lorraine

There is another thread I think. There are 4 dates for Las Vegas up on ticketmaster so it looks pretty definate! If you had to choose I would say go to vegas! Wish i could go too!

Pip

Lorraine · #**197** 03-11-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon

There is another thread I think. There are 4 dates for Las Vegas up on ticketmaster so it looks pretty definate! If you had to choose I would say go to vegas! Wish i could go too!

Pip

Thanks Pip. It sounds promising. Yes I would have thought you would be first in the que lol.

I'm not sure what I will do.

Thanks again.,

Lorraine

cliffdweller · #**198** 03-11-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon

Well just because she bugs you doesn't mean she has done Stevie any harm! And I still disagree with your opinion that she was riding Stevie's coattails!

I assure you, I never said that. And...ok, we'll agree to disagree about the second thing.

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Like I said, I like her collaborations with Stevie. I think she's a kick ass producer of Stevie's things and they do harmonize well. But on the other hand, there are things that annoy me about her. Let's just say that I kind of have a love/hate thing with Sheryl Crow. Excuse me if I offend, but I think I'm entitled to my opinion. Thanks.

cliffdweller · #**199** 03-11-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Me, too, I don't care much for her, but to be honest, I'm very, very glad she worked with Stevie. I think it helped Stevie a lot...publicity wise.(and producing, apparently).
And I actually like Sheryl ok when she sings with Stevie, I think they both sound better that way. In that way that I'm glad Sheryl isn't singing one of her songs by herself, (yuck) and also the way that Stevie's voice sounds way, way, way, better with a good harmonist...

I don't think she was riding Stevie's coattails. Stevie hardly had any coattails, it seems like Sheryl had more coattails as far as publicity and appealing to a younger audience.

I dunno. She had a tendency in the past to attach herself to big names to get ahead in the biz. I guess I kind of lumped her relationship to Stevie into this. Once (if) you read Sheryl's bio you'll get my drift.

dissention · #**200** 03-11-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I dunno. She had a tendency in the past to attach herself to big names to get ahead in the biz. I guess I kind of lumped her relationship to Stevie into this. Once (if) you read Sheryl's bio you'll get my drift.

I hauled it out from my bookshelf last night after our convo to skim through it again, and I don't buy it for a minute that Leaving Las Vegas was recorded while they were all tripping on acid. Not for a minute!

amber · #**201** 03-11-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I dunno. She had a tendency in the past to attach herself to big names to get ahead in the biz. I guess I kind of lumped her relationship to Stevie into this. Once (if) you read Sheryl's bio you'll get my drift.

Oh, right. But - do you really think attaching herself to Stevie would help her? She was already famous and won grammys and such...I think she really just wanted to work with Stevie. I could be wrong, but I get the sense that, in this case, Sheryl's fame helped Stevie more than vice verse....

I mean, it's not like Stevie was real hot or anything....

glitter_fades · #**202** 03-11-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I dunno. She had a tendency in the past to attach herself to big names to get ahead in the biz. I guess I kind of lumped her relationship to Stevie into this. Once (if) you read Sheryl's bio you'll get my drift.

Apparently you don't know Stevie's bio.

Get my drift?

dissention · #**203** 03-11-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Apparently you don't know Stevie's bio.

Get my drift?

+10, my dear!

cliffdweller · #**204** 03-11-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I hauled it out from my bookshelf last night after our convo to skim through it again, and I don't buy it for a minute that Leaving Las Vegas was recorded while they were all tripping on acid. Not for a minute!

I don't either. And I could say more but I'm afraid I might offend some people so I'll hold my tongue.

dissention · #**205** 03-11-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I don't either. And I could say more but I'm afraid I might offend some people so I'll hold my tongue.

Eh, she is quite the opportunistic wench, but there's no denying she's incredibly talented and makes awesome music. That book, though, is devastating to her. No wonder she wouldn't cooperate with the author!

Seriously, if you're not a fan, reading that book certainly won't make you one...

I, personally, liked it because it talks a lot about the songs themselves for TNMC and her self-titled album. Found all that stuff fascinating because I think she's an incredibly gifted songwriter.

gldstwmn · #**206** 03-11-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I don't either. And I could say more but I'm afraid I might offend some people so I'll hold my tongue.

Stop baiting me this way! I haven't read the book yet.

dissention · #**207** 03-11-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Stop baiting me this way! I haven't read the book yet.

I checked Amazon and it's out in paperback now, so you don't have to spring almost $30 for it.

And they have the preface and intro on their site for people to read.

sparky · #**208** 03-11-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I checked Amazon and it's out in paperback now, so you don't have to spring almost $30 for it.

And they have the preface and intro on their site for people to read.

What is this book called ? I must have it.

As far as Sheryl being an opportunist....I have heard enough stories to know she is smart about who she gets to know, who she works with, and in the past, maybe even who she has slept with. Who cares ? Who hasn't done it ?

The people who work with her alone attest to her talent. The list of musicians as well trained, multi-talented, and down to earth that she can be compared to is short indeed. I find her dealings with the press and her absolute whoring out of her relationship with Lance Armstrong to be suspect and devoid of self respect, but it's her career. And even though Stevie is an icon because she has been around for a hundred years, Sheryl has a truckload of Grammies, she is hot as hell, and is tremendously respected by people in the industry. She had at least as much to offer Stevie as vice versa. When they first worked together, Stevie could hardly get arrested. 1996. Hello ? Our girl was a joke at the time.

dissention · #**209** 03-11-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

What is this book called ? I must have it.

No Fool To This Game: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...f=ed_oe_p&st=*

The photo they used of her on the cover looks like Amy Brenneman to me, not Sheryl Crow.

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Originally Posted by sparky

As far as Sheryl being an opportunist....I have heard enough stories to know she is smart about who she gets to know, who she works with, and in the past, maybe even who she has slept with. Who cares ? Who hasn't done it ?

The people who work with her alone attest to her talent. The list of musicians as well trained, multi-talented, and down to earth that she can be compared to is short indeed. I find her dealings with the press and her absolute whoring out of her relationship with Lance Armstrong to be suspect and devoid of self respect, but it's her career. And even though Stevie is an icon because she has been around for a hundred years, Sheryl has a truckload of Grammies, she is hot as hell, and is tremendously respected by people in the industry. She had at least as much to offer Stevie as vice versa. When they first worked together, Stevie could hardly get arrested. 1996. Hello ? Our girl was a joke at the time.

I agree with all of that.

To me, while she may have been quite opportunistic and done ****ty stuff to further her career, she obviously had what it took and had the talent to back it up. It's just that the choices she makes and the way she whores herself out is just mind-boggling at times. Starbucks? American Airlines? Big Brother? WB teen shows? The First Cut Is the Deepest?!

Oh, and American Express.

sparky · #**210** 03-11-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I agree with all of that.

To me, while she may have been quite opportunistic and done ****ty stuff to further her career, she obviously had what it took and had the talent to back it up. It's just that the choices she makes and the way she whores herself out is just mind-boggling at times. Starbucks? American Airlines? Big Brother? WB teen shows? The First Cut Is the Deepest?!

Oh, she has questionable judgement, to be sure. I wonder how beholden she is to her manager, and how many of these decisions just get made without her.
Nonetheless, she is making truckloads of money, and is wise to make hay while the sun shines. It's not as if she isn't also creating very respectable art, and laying the groundwork to become a legend. For god's sake, the Beatles had lunchboxes, socks, and candy made with their images. Yoko is still whoring poor John's art at the drop of a hat. That's worse than anything Sheryl has done. She is making some stupid moves, but none of them are career killers.