Capital Punishment

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I personally hate that saying more then almost any other saying

Maybe "an eye for an eye" sounds better?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I don't think it's brutal or barbaric. You do. We'll agree to disagree.

But I don't think its right to call it an act of revenge and was just stating that opinion.

If you don't find taking someone's life the ultimate in barbarism, I don't know what to say.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by dissention

If you don't find taking someone's life the ultimate in barbarism, I don't know what to say.

I do believe that killing is okay in certain circumstances and is not necessarily the ultimate in barbarism. Just like I believe that the unborn, at any stage, are just as much alive as I am, yet I maintain a pro-choice stance.

If you disagree with that, good for you, but don't expect me to give a damn.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

If you disagree with that, good for you, but don't expect me to give a damn.

I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.

Ya know - I think Gone with the Wind would have been a much stronger movie had they taken the poetry of your last statement into account for the last scene I'm totally kidding ya btw

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.

Good. Then we agree on something.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Lux

If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.

Very well put. I could never pull that switch, how could I expect anyone to do that? It's horrible and wrong.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

I never said or implied that it was about revenge.

Of course, you did.

You said that the application of the death penalty would depend on how closely associated you were to either the victim or perpetrator of the crime. That point of view specifically puts the application of the death penalty as retribution.

If it were your kid who was killed by someone, then the death penalty would be okay because the killer needs "to get it". However, if your kid were the killer, then you would be more inclined to have society show mercy.

Revenge plain and simple.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

What the hell is wrong with revenge?

The fact that you have to ask this question prevents anyone from being able to answer you.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Of course, you did.

You said that the application of the death penalty would depend on how closely associated you were to either the victim or perpetrator of the crime. That point of view specifically puts the application of the death penalty as retribution.

If it were your kid who was killed by someone, then the death penalty would be okay because the killer needs "to get it". However, if your kid were the killer, then you would be more inclined to have society show mercy.

Revenge plain and simple.

You've obviously missed the entire point of what I was saying and have used your twisted interpretation of my words to suit your own argument.

So let me say it for at least the third time, and if you don't get it this time, you obviously never will:

I was stating that none of us know for sure how we will react to a given situation until it actually happens and then provided a hypothetical example to show what I meant. Pure and simple.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

I was stating that none of us know for sure how we will react to a given situation until it actually happens and then provided a hypothetical example to show what I meant. Pure and simple.

Of course, that's the case. Absolutely.

I think it always best to be realistic and own up to the truth. For example, I think christianity is evil and vile, and I have no problems with whatever anyone thinks about that. So, I think that those in favor of the death penalty should just admit that it is a punishment that is exacted strictly for vengeful purposes and get over it.

[estranged4life]

on the death penalty (Excluding Tim McVeigh who got what he deserved, Though he should have had a handgrenade stuck up his ass and the pin pulled instead of getting the painless sleep/death) can be summed up in the following bumper sticker:

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

on the death penalty (Excluding Tim McVeigh who got what he deserved, Though he should have had a handgrenade stuck up his ass and the pin pulled instead of getting the painless sleep/death) can be summed up in the following bumper sticker:

This could have been signed Brian "eloquent as always" J.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by Lux

If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.

I just wanted take much-needed time away from my studies to say that your post is very well put and I totally agree.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Lux

If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.

Because death penalty advocates don't believe that the death penalty is murder- they believe that it is government sanctioned punishment. Saying that somehow the lawful act of ending one's life against their will is somehow morally better than the unlawful act of ending one's life against their will is ridiculous.

But death penalty advocates will never get it, because revenge is a powerful emotion that somehow endures its possessor with arrogance, certaintude, and a disregard for anything outside one's own view.