Bush talks secretely taped

ShangriLaTroubl · #1 02-20-2005, 12:35 PM

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...19222709990001

Updated: 09:31 AM EST
In Secretly Taped Talks, Glimpses of Future President
Author, Former Aide to Bush's Father, Disclosed Tapes' Existence

strandinthewind · #2 02-20-2005, 02:16 PM

I asm unsure there is anything new here - but it is interesting to see these. Interestingly, this somewhat validates what I have always thought and said in that:

1. W does not hate gay people and is placating the Evangelicals who do

and

2. He will nominate Ashcroft for The Court.

gldstwmn · #3 02-20-2005, 02:49 PM

Yawn.

SuzeQuze · #4 02-20-2005, 03:35 PM

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Yawn.

Right. These positions have never been a secret. Why Wead felt the need to make these public is beyond me. It may be of historical importance but not yet. I say bullsh*t it doesn't have to do with his book coming out! He's trying to generate publicity for that I would say.

gldstwmn · #5 02-20-2005, 04:25 PM

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Right. These positions have never been a secret. Why Wead felt the need to make these public is beyond me. It may be of historical importance but not yet. I say bullsh*t it doesn't have to do with his book coming out! He's trying to generate publicity for that I would say.

Probably. But who cares?
I think some of this may be to deflect GAY PROSTITUTE FOUND IN WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS.
Don'tcha love how they threw in the gay angle? And the pot? Makes you wonder what's going to come out next.

SuzeQuze · #6 02-20-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Probably. But who cares?
I think some of this may be to deflect GAY PROSTITUTE FOUND IN WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS.
Don'tcha love how they threw in the gay angle? And the pot? Makes you wonder what's going to come out next.

Ugh, you're right. It's probably a "fake news" story to divert attention.

irishgrl · #7 02-20-2005, 09:21 PM

Clinton "didnt inhale" but is lambasted
Bush refuses to even address his past drug use, and we all say "oh well?"

Clinton fools around with an intern and gets impeached
Bush fools around with a Gay Porn star and its all smoke and mirrors?

personally I think Bush's reluctance to "kick gays" is significant. Kitty Kelly was definitely ON to something.

strandinthewind · #8 02-20-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Clinton "didnt inhale" but is lambasted
Bush refuses to even address his past drug use, and we all say "oh well?"

Clinton said he did it once - and his telling of that version was the most assinine thing I have ever heard in my life

I mean does anyone believe that crap - or really care for that matter

- yet he lied anyway. To me, it is just one more lie Clinton, whom I liked despite his lying nature, told.

Conversely, W admitted to having a problem in the past with drugs and alcohol and that he was clean and sober for years. So, he clearly addressed it

I mean what do you want him to do - specifically detail everytime he did drugs

That is not reasonable nor is it really anyone's business once he admitted the problem and the subsequent correction. Thus, I think your analogy is without merit. [Edit - Mary is correct in that W did not fiectly address his past drug use other than to say things like he was a mess and he has been sober for a long time]

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Clinton fools around with an intern and gets impeached
Bush fools around with a Gay Porn star and its all smoke and mirrors?

Please document where Bush "fooled round" with a gay porn star (which BTW the JG person was not - he was a hooker - not a skin flic star

) on the same level that Clinton fooled around with Lewinsky. I suggest you cannot. There is no evidence whatsoever that Bush even know of this person's secret life. Though he may have, your analogy is a stretch that Bush and this guy were lovers like Clinton and Lewinsky were

Thus, I think your analogy is once again without merit.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

personally I think Bush's reluctance to "kick gays" is significant. Kitty Kelly was definitely ON to something.

Who can say?

dissention · #9 02-20-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Clinton "didnt inhale" but is lambasted
Bush refuses to even address his past drug use, and we all say "oh well?"

Clinton acted like a ****ing fool when it came to the issue of smoking weed. He deserved to be lambasted just for sheer idiocy.

Bush was given a free ride about everything. His use of coke, his use of weed, his drunk driving, his alcoholism, etc. It sucks, but that's what happens when the mainstream press is in your pocket.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Clinton fools around with an intern and gets impeached
Bush fools around with a Gay Porn star and its all smoke and mirrors?

To my knowledge, Bush hasn't been as brazen as Clinton about any affairs, the "gay porn star" hasn't had his phone conversations taped, and we don't have an article of clothing with Bush's wad dried on it. But oh how I wish one surfaces.

dissention · #10 02-20-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Conversely, W admitted to having a problem in the past with drugs and alcohol and that he was clean and sober for years. So, he clearly addressed it

Bull****. He NEVER would even answer questions regarding his use of drugs or cocaine. He spun the question every time it was asked. Edit that statement to include simply "alcohol" and you'd be correct.

strandinthewind · #11 02-20-2005, 10:33 PM

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Bull****. He NEVER would even answer questions regarding his use of drugs or cocaine. He spun the question every time it was asked. Edit that statement to include simply "alcohol" and you'd be correct.

touche - thus, these tapes shed light on this - but who really cares because it is not like the public does not will it stop his reelection - and even if he did abuse coke in the past, no evidence exists other than speculation that he uses now or that his past abuse had any effect in this Presidency. Thus, as I have said in the past, this issue is just irrelevant once we knew he had a substance abuse addiction but had been sober for awhile. I think he should have admitted it though.

dissention · #12 02-20-2005, 10:37 PM

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touche - thus, these tapes shed light on this - but who really cares because it is not like the public does not will it stop his reelection.

Well, I think the election of Bill Clinton proved that the American people really don't care about the character of the person elected into the office of the POTUS.

I doubt they ever will, as long as they're told what they want to hear. Sheryl Crow certainly got it right in that Member's Only song of hers.

dissention · #13 02-20-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

touche - thus, these tapes shed light on this - but who really cares because it is not like the public does not will it stop his reelection - and even if he did abuse coke in the past, no evidence exists other than speculation that he uses now or that his past abuse had any effect in this Presidency. Thus, as I have said in the past, this issue is just irrelevant once we knew he had a substance abuse addiction but had been sober for awhile. I think he should have admitted it though.

Yeah, and he still claims he was never arrested for drunk driving and that he never had his license suspended. He also tried to claim that when you're pulled over for drunk driving, you can pay a fine to the kind officer (or as he so eloquently puts it "Do your duty") and then drive home. He sure was drunk.

strandinthewind · #14 02-20-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Well, I think the election of Bill Clinton proved that the American people really don't care about the character of the person elected into the office of the POTUS.

I doubt they ever will, as long as they're told what they want to hear. Sheryl Crow certainly got it right in that Member's Only song of hers.

I think the drug thing is such a red herring. I think if Clinton had said yes I smoked it once and it was not for me (which probably would have still been a lie) and we need to educate kids about it so when they are exposed to it they will be knowledgeable about it - he would have won respect. But, I did not inhale is assinine and insulting to anyone with borderline intellectual functioning or higher

strandinthewind · #15 02-20-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, and he still claims he was never arrested for drunk driving and that he never had his license suspended. He also tried to claim that when you're pulled over for drunk driving, you can pay a fine to the kind officer (or as he so eloquently puts it "Do your duty") and then drive home. He sure was drunk.

Oh do not get me wrong - his answers were weasely - but they were not as assinine as "I did not inhale"