Dumbest Things Lindsey Has Ever Said Onstage - Page 6

Les · #76 02-10-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Highway Woman

What did he expect them to say? "Lindsey's gone. We blow chunks now. But come to our shows anyway." And Lindsey didn't think twice about saying the same types of things after Christine left. You could even say he went further as he talked about how John could play better without having to worry about Christine.

The anger at Mick was justified, but that wasn't Chris's or John's fault. I guess I just don't see it. Maybe there are harsher quotes out there? Otherwise I don't think it's justified at all.

What wasn't justified? If John and Christine and Mick and Stevie all felt comfortable making comments about being happier in the band after Lindsey's departure for various reasons, was it so uncalled for that Lindsey should say the same thing about his situation? I guess I can sort of see objecting to the forum in which he made those comments to some degree, but this was the first time in a press conference setting that Lindsey was asked about these things since he left the band. I just don't think it's that hard to understand why he made them.

Mick said he thought it was a relief to Stevie to have Lindsey out of the band after he initally left, and he thought she was able to work in a more relaxed way with Rick and Billy. Stevie herself made similar comments. I don't remember, but I have to doubt that I really enjoyed reading that back when the comments were fresh because I missed Lindsey, but I didn't think Mick and Stevie were being jerky or less than truthful about it. Relations between ex-couples often just have a certain residue that makes things testy from time to time and doesn't go away. I haven't any difficulty believing Chris and John experience that too, and so I have a hard time seeing something insulting about Christine in that comment by Lindsey about John maybe finding it easier to relax.

I don't know. I suppose all these little comments they make about one another just touch the little areas of sensitivity we all seem to have about our favorites.

glitter_fades · #77 02-10-2005, 07:34 PM

Lindsey sure was testy at that inauguration press conference. He seemed to be going out of his way to purposely stamp out notions in the media of a future FM reunion. I wonder why he even bothered to show up at that thing, until I recall how many times Stevie has said she called him herself and begged, threatened, and bullied him into agreeing to perform for the President. Maybe he was pissed that she didn't show for the media that day? I thought her not being there put him on the defensive to answer questions he didn't know how to answer. He didn't really want to do the show in the first place, it seems. He should have stayed away from that press thing unless the suits wanted him there to get some free press for his solo tour. It's the only thing that makes any sense about him participating in any of it.

Oh, almost forgot. Dumbest thing on stage...anything about cycles.

Dumbest thing ever...that tripe in the Destiny Rules doc about the guy in the two bedroom. bwahaha! As much as I hate to agree with Mick on any point concerning sincerity, LB is so full of it he makes Mick look thoughtful and measured by contrast. I have to sympathize with LB a little. He probably wants to scream at Mick and call him a two-faced backstabber for reversing field on the double album, so he goes into his usual pseudo-intellectual schtick for lack of a better way to express himself.

wondergirl9847 · #78 02-10-2005, 07:54 PM

I can't find the quote I'm looking for, but didn't Stevie say to him along the lines of....If you don't do this Clinton thing, I'll hold it against you. Something like that, arg, wish I could find the quote. Can someone find her talking about that?

amber · #79 02-10-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I can't find the quote I'm looking for, but didn't Stevie say to him along the lines of....If you don't do this Clinton thing, I'll hold it against you. Something like that, arg, wish I could find the quote. Can someone find her talking about that?

I've seen that, too, but can't find that. I think it was "I'll never forgive you"

strandinthewind · #80 02-10-2005, 09:51 PM

I think and have always thought that the remaining four had much more of a right to be mad at LB for leaving. I mean he withdrew at the last minute and left them in a bind. There really is no two ways about that and that is how it was not matter what reasons he said publicly. I mean, to hear LB in some of those quotes, he just sounds like sour grapes to me. FM moved on because they had to - he left them no choice. I get the impression some people think they should not have or that they did was some sort of horrible and rude thing. Again, LB left them high and dry; what were they supposed to do - never talk about it - LB certainly did not follow that axiom

If someone did that to me, I would be a little angry with them. But, the band has moved on past it, so I guess we should as well

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I also wanted to say I know that LB alleged conflict in the band and a hostile work environment as reasons for not wanting to go on the road, where he felt it would be worse. But, I have always wondered why the remaining four were willing to live with that alleged strife, but not LB. CM has said since like the 70's that she was ready to quit. La Nicks could have continued in her solo stuff and really came back to FM out of loyalty and, I think, because she really likes FM. Mick,. well, he is always ready to put alot aside for $$$$

And John, who knows. Interestingly, I think there was some flickering of the LB SN romance thing (what else is knew

) on some level and that was too much for LB to live through again. Maybe Stevie jilted him - who knows - but it was telling that she said afterward that they "finally broke up" and he replied "she'd been with lots of guys after me" or something like that. I mean I just can't help but feel that his actions were similar to those of a jilted lover. But, that is my opinion and I do not expect anyone (save most of Nancy's board

shippers

) to agree with me.

AliP · #81 02-10-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I can't find the quote I'm looking for, but didn't Stevie say to him along the lines of....If you don't do this Clinton thing, I'll hold it against you. Something like that, arg, wish I could find the quote. Can someone find her talking about that?

Is this it?

The Island Ear - September 4, 1994
(About Bill Clinton)"He loved our song, it was his favorite of all time. It was perfect for Bill. Actually, what was even more amazing was getting Lindsey on stage with the four of us again. It took the President of the United States to do that. We all didn't think Lindsey would do it. I called him and said, "If you cheat me out of this honoring moment, I'll never or speak to you again." So he did it."

wondergirl9847 · #82 02-10-2005, 10:17 PM

Thanks for finding that!

They've all said hateful, hurtful things about or to one another. Today, they've grown up and learned from their mistakes.

strandinthewind · #83 02-10-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Keep in mind that anything Stevie says we can assume to be partially or fully fabricated and existing only in a temporary memory of her brain.

and you are so neutral

I think Stevie is pretty much accurate. I think she just sees the world through rose colored glasses. Again, even if we discount what Stevie said, the fact remains that she and the other four were all willing to put aside whatever strife there was and live up to their obligations - that is telling. Maybe LB could not abide La Nicks having an opinion when she was in the past meeker than she was after her huge solo success emboldened her. Remember, even she said she was a terror before the Bety Ford, which was prior to TITN. In the end, who knows, and this is all just my speculation based on the facts.

dissention · #84 02-10-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Keep in mind that anything Stevie says we can assume to be partially or fully fabricated and existing only in a temporary memory of her brain.

She changes her stories more often than her underwear.

strandinthewind · #85 02-10-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

She changes her stories more often than her underwear.

I think that she says songs are about different things - which I think they are and she is not using doublespeak there

But, she has been consistent with the TITN story hadn't she?

dissention · #86 02-10-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and you are so neutral

I think Stevie is pretty much accurate. I think she just sees the world through rose colored glasses. Again, even if we discount what Stevie said, the fact remains that she and the other four were all willing to put aside whatever strife there was and live up to their obligations - that is telling. Maybe LB could not abide La Nicks having an opinion when she was in the past meeker than she was after her huge solo success emboldened her. Remember, even she said she was a terror before the Bety Ford, which was prior to TITN. In the end, who knows, and this is all just my speculation based on the facts.

Darling, do you blame him for wanting out? He's said time and time again that at that point in time, his fellow bandmates were not the same people he had known in the beginning. Drugs, booze, greed; the whole shebang. After not having really been around it since the early eighties when they recorded Mirage, I can only imagine how disconcerting the whole situation must have been. I'm sure he wasn't the same person either, but looking at them collectively back in '86-'87 makes me cringe. A few of them looked like shells of their former selves.

Should he have agreed to tour if he didn't want to? No. But I doubt he signed any contract or else Mick would have gleefully sued his pants off. It was ****ty to leave them high and dry, but considering the situation, I don't begrudge him for it and I think he made a smart move.

dissention · #87 02-10-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think that she says songs are about different things - which I think they are and she is not using doublespeak there

But, she has been consistent with the TITN story hadn't she?

I'm not talking about her songs, I'm talking about the fairy tales she tells various interviewers. I'm still dying to know just when exactly she quit coke, she hasn't given a definitive answer yet and it's been almost twenty years.

strandinthewind · #88 02-10-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I'm not talking about her songs, I'm talking about the fairy tales she tells various interviewers. I'm still dying to know just when exactly she quit coke, she hasn't given a definitive answer yet and it's been almost twenty years.

well - she would not talk about it for years - who can blame her. But, there have been interviews where she has said she has not done it since Betty Ford and that people know not to bring it around her. So, there is that. Personally, I believe her.

strandinthewind · #89 02-10-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Darling, do you blame him for wanting out? He's said time and time again that at that point in time, his fellow bandmates were not the same people he had known in the beginning. Drugs, booze, greed; the whole shebang. After not having really been around it since the early eighties when they recorded Mirage, I can only imagine how disconcerting the whole situation must have been. I'm sure he wasn't the same person either, but looking at them collectively back in '86-'87 makes me cringe. A few of them looked like shells of their former selves.

Should he have agreed to tour if he didn't want to? No. But I doubt he signed any contract or else Mick would have gleefully sued his pants off. It was ****ty to leave them high and dry, but considering the situation, I don't begrudge him for it and I think he made a smart move.

I flip flop on whether I blame him - but I consistently think it was a rotten thing to do. I also have issues with the whole santimonious vibe that you and others portray that everyone was nuts but LB or that he was nuts to a lesser degree - almost like he was the only ounce of sanity and the rest were just jerks. I mean CM certainly was not like that and La Nicks tried to get her act together and put aside her personal drama of being immediately out of rehab and launched straight into the record and subsequent tour. I think that is unfair and paints LB in too sympathetic a light than the facts suggest. But, if people want to think that he was a martyr to the band and that probably means mostly Stevie's sheer unbridled craziness - they can

dissention · #90 02-10-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

She has said that certain songs are about people she didn't even know when she wrote them.

One thing that irritates me about how Stevie speaks is her perceived central role in any event. Not only does she convey herself (whether consciously or unconsciously) as the central role, any regular situation becomes a dramatic succession of events worthy of wide-eyed, direct to camera "this is important and I was there" presentation.

I don't hate her but it irritates me to watch her speak more than any of Lindsey's repetitive answers. Quite the opposite, he likes to downplay a situation.

And Jason, yes it just comes down to Lindsey's chauvinistic ways. I think if I were around her enough I'd become a chauvinist, assuming I weren't already.

Good points. The doe-eyed "ThisIsSeeeeeeeeerious" look is really quite the spectacle.